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I'm Karen Herman, and I'm interviewing Joshua Gay for the Free and Open Source Stories Digital Archive. So welcome, Joshua. Thank you so much for for doing this. We're really excited to hear your story. And I'm going to start right from from the beginning. Let me know where and when you were born.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=1.102,20.109"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Joshua Gay:\u003c/strong\u003e I was born in just outside of Boston, a small town, Hingham, Massachusetts in 1981. And I grew up there, lived lived there my whole childhood. I'm one of six kids. And, yeah. What did your parents do? Neither of my parents went to college. My father had installed flooring and wall to wall carpentry, his own business. My mom, most of her career, she worked as a mortgage officer in a bank and small banks. Before that, she, she sort of worked, you know, sometimes multiple jobs here and there. Definitely lower middle class upbringing, but really great tight knit family, really healthy home, if not a very small home in a town with a lot of resources, and especially towards education and other things which which made it, you know, just a really great place to grow up. Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=21.94,113.381"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Karen Herman:\u003c/strong\u003e What kind of kid would you say you were?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=115.627,116.791"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Joshua Gay:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I think, you know, I think I kind of had two sides to me. I was maybe a little bit energetic and get out the house and spend all day out in the woods and things like that growing up. In school, I think I was, you know, mostly quiet, polite, somewhat reserved. I've always been extremely curious. I've never been a very good student per se. And in terms of, you know, learning along with the rest of my class or in the normal curriculum. I did really like school, though. I just didn't necessarily like learning at the same pace. So I would often fail and then and then get excited to learn whatever it is I failed, and then sort of catch up and sometimes we jump ahead and a lot of, you know, back and forth. And somehow I managed to make it all the way through and graduate high school. And that trend continued all the way through high school. I remember my AP European history teacher telling me that, and he had been teaching that course since it started at my high school. And he said I was the first person to fail the course, get an F in the course, but to pass the AP exam and get full credit in college. And that I think that, you know, that sort of characterizes a lot of how I went through school. I fell behind in middle school, and then I doubled up and tripled up sometimes courses in, you know, freshman and sophomore year in high school in order to sort of be able to, you know, continue on a path where I was engaged and excited. And yeah, that was really, I think I was constantly distracted by other things in life outside of school as well. And I started working pretty young. I think my first little job was in third grade raking leaves. And I think by fourth grade, I was delivering newspapers. And by fifth grade, I was running, I went from a lemonade stand to a full concession stand on a golf course, a public golf course near my house. I would just drag out coolers of things and sell them. them. And then after that, I started working in catering at the same golf course, a country club events. And I tend to work around anywhere from, you know, 15 to 40 hours a week, even during the school year and the summers, I would usually have more than one job. And so that has continued my entire life. I've never stopped working really. Up until recently, sort of the idea of just working one job was, I think it took becoming a parent, where I said, oh, that's its own full time job in a sense that I can just have one other employer or, you know, focus area. But definitely throughout my childhood, I was constantly working in addition to doing extracurricular activities, and playing sports and trying.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=117.861,369.85"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Karen Herman:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you have any interest in that at that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=371.124,373.753"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Joshua Gay:\u003c/strong\u003e No, not at all. I mean, if I had to rank anything interest, baseball was my number one interest until I was about 17 or 18. I developed a strong interest in poetry around age 14.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=375.663,390.325"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Karen Herman:\u003c/strong\u003e In writing it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=391.664,392.127"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Joshua Gay:\u003c/strong\u003e In writing it and reading it. I continue to love to read poetry and write on my own. I don't really publish anymore. I mean, I remember kind of being intrigued. In the first moment, I kind of got intrigued by computer science. There's TI-82 calculators, what we used or what I had for school. And a friend of mine who was also one of the first people I knew to run Linux back in the 90s, he introduced me to the world of programming on a calculator in high school. Just started out with little things, you know, here's a way to just sort of store notes or to write a little game, a choose your own adventure type game. And then what really got me a little bit excited was he wrote a fractal generator and it didn't support imaginary numbers. I remember him telling me and I didn't quite understand what that was because I didn't really understand fractals at the time. But he showed me how he worked around this and did sort of all of these things. And I was like, you just did that on your calculator. And it's generating these different pictures and things like that. And zooming in. And I was really kind of captivated by that idea that you could, you know, that anybody could just sit there and write something like that and it would make it work. For the most part, my interest in computers, though, in high school was graphic design. One of the things that sort of, I guess, probably helped me get into college was I won a regional graphic design contest. I didn't, so there was a graphics arts class and one of the portions of it was in addition to making printed things and using the big sort of industrial printer that we had and whatnot was learning to use things like Adobe Photoshop. I remember I made a, I think, the Leonardo da Vinci, is it Petruvian man, is that right? Sort of in the circle and the arms and the leg. I took that and I manipulated it and did, you know, sort of a creative project. And I didn't realize that when I submitted it that my teacher was going to go ahead and submit it on my behalf to this regional contest. And he did and I happened to win, which was pretty nice of him to just go ahead and do that. And then in 10th or 11th grade, I taught in an after school program in our middle school, HTML 1.0. So I learned how to make web pages and things when HTML first came out. I didn't think of it as programming. I just thought of it as more like making, you know, like graphic design, like, you know, putting together very much a a front end mentality, right? I wasn't thinking I'm making computers do things. I'm displaying, you know, text and art and colors. Did you really learn it yourself? Did you teach it to yourself? Yeah, yeah, I did. I know that we had like a short media studies thing where we had like a couple days in the library where we were introduced to it and some program that you could use to make, some early program that you could use to make a website, some sort of page maker. But when I taught the class, I just had everybody write the HTML. And so I learned, you know, what was happening underneath the website and how to do that. I don't remember it being anything that I don't remember the learning part. It was just, oh, how does this work? And then I figured it out. And so there was always that kind of desire to tinker, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=392.98,690.254"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Karen Herman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. What did you think you wanted to be? What kind of career path were you thinking when you were in high school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=690.34,695.746"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Joshua Gay:\u003c/strong\u003e When I first got in, I had a goal that I just basically wanted to be a multimillionaire. I was working all the time and I was working on a golf course when I was in middle school, right, on my own and being a young entrepreneur, I was called often. And there was an investor, sort of a personal finance person from Smith Barney, who said, you should come down to the office and open up, you know, an investment account with us. And I remember doing that in eighth grade. And I got a reading list of a book went up on Wall Street and some other things. And I was going to be a value investor like Warren Buffett. And that was fun. And I still have, you know, some investments from that day that are accruing, which is nice. But I kind of lost interest in that by tenth grade. Poetry and sort of creative work was an interest. But, you know, I really didn't know for sure. What kind of set me on my path was I found a school that, a college that I had a chance of getting into with poor grades. And I toured it. I remember I set up the tour on my own because my parents hadn't really, you know, had any experience in how to do that. So I remember I went ahead and just took a bus to the train into Boston from the suburbs where I lived and towards Suffolk University. And I had, there was an undergraduate admissions counselor who took time to sit and talk and look at your transcript and give you some suggestions if you wanted to apply. And I remember he saw the graphic arts award that I had won. And he said, well, you know, your GPA isn't great. You have some good, your testing is okay. But it's going to be hard with your GPA and your class rank to get into an English program because I wanted to do creative writing. And he saw the graphic arts award and he suggested, but we recently just started a computer science program and we have almost nobody applying. And so if you apply direct to major for computer science, your odds will be much higher because we have almost nobody applying for that major. And so that's what I did. And I got in. And I remember I immediately persuaded the poetry professor, Fred Marchant, who's a Boston poet, a conscientious objector to the Vietnam War and sort of a leader of sort of the poetry community in New England. He's a really fabulous person. I kind of begged him to get into an upper level, 300 level poetry workshop class that he was running. And I was like, well, you know, I have this computer science major thing, but now I'm in. I can look to making the switch eventually. But it turned out that I had a knack for computer science and I had a really good professor in my first, in my fall, my kind of a of a software engineering 101 or whatever it was. And he, Lewis Barton, he recently passed, but he came to computer science late in life, came back to it. And he was just really excited to help people who had any kind of sort of different background, I think, be able to make it in computer science. And he kind of viewed himself with that different background where where he meandered for many years before coming back to academia and was really looking for bright students. And I was lucky that I did pretty well. I ended up winning that, my freshman year, their first year computer science award, which, you know, it's a small class, obviously, so it wasn't that big of an accomplishment. But for me, it was a big accomplishment. I didn't think that I would be kind of exceptional at it when I first started. I had a really good friend who was going to Northeastern University, Richard Buckman, and he spent a lot of time, evenings, just sort of passionately, you know, showing me cool things about the C programming language and, you know, how it worked. And he was, we were friends since high school. And him and I had a lot of kind of in common with just loving to learn things on our own, not necessarily for a reason. And he learned the C programming language before he really had the opportunity to program. I think he might have taught himself at a middle school. And he taught himself it from the language definition, which is called the Bacchus-Naur form. It's just sort of this very rigid, you know, definition of the language without any practical, how do you actually use it? But that's sort of how he approached things. He could learn the fundamentals and the principles and then start pulling in examples and being able to run. And he sort of, that kind of joy of doing it with him in the evenings and this very supportive professor during the day, you know, was a great way to not only feel like I was doing well academically and picking it up, but I really ran way, way ahead of, you know, what would typically, where you'd end your freshman year of college and computer science. I ended up getting a job after my freshman year at a startup in Cambridge, Massachusetts programming. And, you know, that was a pretty quick from zero to... Where was that? The name of the company was Super Wings Inc. in Cambridge, Mass. I think they might have been based in Waltham or somewhere else, but they had a satellite office. They called it the R\u0026D office where myself and my good friend Rich worked and some other people that were in college. And yeah, we got to do kind of the, just that sort of the research and development type project, sort of new product development. And that was really cool. You know, there were ambitious, hard things, but, you know, how how can you, here's the problem, here's the opportunity. And then we were able to actually create at least a couple of products during my time there. And then the bubble burst during the dot-com boom and then the bubble burst. And that's where that company lost all of its money and sort of ran out of steam.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=696.822,1191.984"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Karen Herman:\u003c/strong\u003e But you were working there during college or still going to school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=1192.004,1196.94"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Joshua Gay:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Yeah. The fall of my sophomore year, I was still attending. I had worked, I was working at Super Wings. I was accepted as a special student at MIT, which you sort of have to do the school application for and you get a student ID and access to everything. But it's a special student status. And I took a graduate course, the theory of computation with Michael Sipser. I was trying to kind of beef up my academic profile with the plan of transferring. And I was also taking my full course load at Suffolk University in the fall as well. So it was a lot. But you were all in. Yeah. I had made that transition 100% at that point. Yeah. It seemed better than maybe a path of being a poet and working in restaurants. And not so much that I liked it more than I liked poetry and literature, but it seemed like I didn't have to give up poetry. That I could do all of these things that opened up a whole world of possibilities with creativity as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=1199.083,1304.828"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Karen Herman:\u003c/strong\u003e So when was the first time that you heard of free and open source?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=1307.432,1311.263"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Joshua Gay:\u003c/strong\u003e It was around that time. I think I had heard people talk about things like Red Hat Linux and free software. But it wasn't until I really started to look into it for the job I was working at Super Wings. We had a mix of proprietary tool chains that we were using. And then if I just needed some things and not have to go through any procurement or anything, I started discovering that there was this was this whole GNU system and tools available. And I also started to encounter challenges with proprietary software or even things that were sort of heading towards the direction of open source. We did a lot of things in Java. And I remember having to reverse engineer classes from the Java libraries that Sun released. And they hadn't yet released the source code, but other people were working on alternatives at the time. And Sun was considering making theirs free software at the time, I believe. And so there was a lot of intersection with it at my job. And then when the company collapsed, that's where I really kind of doubled down. And I said, how much of this, where we have costs and where we have duplication of efforts could be reduced if we embraced free we embraced free software? And then I really started reading about the GNU project and the writings of Richard Stallman. of Richard Stallman. And I wrote, when I found out that the investors in the company, or at least how I recall or I recall or remember it, the investors were sort of pulling out and that they only had a certain amount of money left and how it was going to be spent. I wrote a letter to sort of my boss and his boss and sort of outlining a plan that we could keep a small office like we had, which had low rent and everything else. And we were making products and that we could reduce it further if we chose to use free software as the basis for more of our things. And that we could likely be able to get even more done than what we were getting done because we could just build on top of these other free software works that were out there and available. And one of the first pushbacks on this idea was that in theory that sounded good, but how can they bring this to the investors? My argument seems to rely so heavily on this website and a person's writing and it doesn't cite academic papers or a book even. And that didn't look well. It didn't look good in terms of from their perspective as being kind of a legitimate argument. It just felt very much like it was my subjective opinion and then some website online. And it would be good to have more. And I don't think that was their only gripe with it. I'm sure there was other aspects, but that really stood out in my mind as one of the sort of bits of critique or critical feedback. And that led me to actually write Richard Solomon an email saying, I think it would be great if you had a published book so that people like myself and these situations could cite that book and that it could be something that is in libraries, that is out in the world. And for some people who view that as being more legitimate than something published just on the web, that this could be very helpful. And he liked the idea and he said, basically, would I be willing to do that? Would I be willing to lead that project of putting together a book of his writing and speeches? And that if so, he'd be able to maybe help provide me some support and guidance from people who have had experience publishing books in the past. And yeah, that's what we did. Exactly that. We began a project within a couple of weeks of that email exchange. And about a year later, or I think less than a year later, we published Free Software, Free Society, the Selected Essays of Richard M. Solomon. And that was a great way to get into Free Software because I sent a lot of emails to people in the GNU Project, fact checking or filling in footnotes or just grappling with some of the concepts and ideas. And I go and I give suggested edits and I get it all wrong because I'm misinterpreting the writing. And it was a pretty daunting task. Richard Solomon himself, while being a famous hacker and sort of the person who helped create the Free Software Movement in the GNU Project, is also famous for his rigidity of language and exactness of wording and definitions. And he's very good at that. And he's a very clear writer. So editing a person who has very strong opinions about how you say things and how you write them and the words you use was itself a very daunting task because quite often I would put forth my suggestions or rewording and I would get very strong rejections, not necessarily the best bedside manners from him. He wasn't always very polite about it. Or he would get very frustrated that I was not understanding something. something. But that's okay. For me, I leaned on having a background in having been a waiter and a bartender and sort of customer service and how to deal with unruly clients. I just sort of leaned into that a bit more. I just put out a a particular way in which I would start doing exchanges. That worked out quite well. I learned a lot about engaging with strong personalities of the Free Software community within my first year of getting involved into Free Software.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=1312.966,1783.106"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Karen Herman:\u003c/strong\u003e When did you learn about the topic and about the philosophy?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=1783.848,1786.342"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Joshua Gay:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that was at that job that I was working, the startup. I just started reading about it from the GNU.org website and also seeing it in practice of being able to run software where I could get the source code and I could look at it. It being a time where I was learning, everything was new, that was super exciting. I got to see how other people wrote code. I didn't get to see that very often. I had textbook examples and things like that, but not good full large application development or system software development. That was really incredible being able to do that. And it wasn't just the GNU project things. I remember one of the first bits of source code I also had read early on was, I think it was the source code to LiveJournal, a website that used to exist for people to blog in journal. And And one of the novel things that it had was infinitely nested comments. I think it was pretty early on that I maybe it was pretty early on that I maybe read the code for how that worked and things like that. And it was cool to just see code, like look at was cool to just see code, like look at code that was doing something new, that was doing something that was cool to just see code, like look at code that was doing something new that I appreciated on the internet. That really got me excited. I think that I was young and idealistic and I wasn't necessarily concerned with the practicalities of how businesses work or making a living. It was all just feeling like this is amazing, this is how it should be. That really helped being in that mindset and being in that learning and absorbent mindset. And And I was hooked pretty quickly that this seemed like a really good thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=1787.244,1932.315"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Karen Herman:\u003c/strong\u003e And what did the book do for you? Did that lead anywhere for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=1933.483,1936.894"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Joshua Gay:\u003c/strong\u003e It definitely made me start to think about how else it could apply. So one thing that we did with the book is we decided that we should go get somebody to do an introduction that maybe wasn't squarely related to the GNU Project or open source. I emailed, cold emailed Lawrence Lessig. At the time he was a professor at Stanford, I believe. He was just starting Creative Commons. I believe his book, Code, may have been released the year before. He had just done a major case that went before the Supreme Court that related to the Copyright Extension Act, Congress extending the length of copyright retroactively. Maybe it was Eldred versus Ashcroft, if I recall, was the case. Eldred was his client and he went to the Supreme Court and argued before it and unfortunately lost. But he's this really charismatic, impassioned professor saying, let's take these principles of free software and apply them to the creative world and other works of creative expression and creating the Creative Commons and licensing suite. That idea that a person that's doing that should be the introduction to Richard Solomon's work philosophically really helped me understand that free software is a concept you can apply or open source as people know it. That's exactly what we've seen. We've seen now people say open source and then they'll say open hardware, open science, open data, open education and all of these other things. But at the time open source itself, the term was 18 months old and free software had been the word. But there wasn't a lot of people saying, let's apply what they're doing in the free and open source software world to these other things. There were. I wasn't at all unique. Wikipedia and other things were getting off the ground at that time. But even those, the world was very small. When Wikipedia started, the way that the GNU project tried to influence them was by competing and launching a GNUpedia project which licensed things under a free documentation license. When Wikipedia made some evolutionary changes, it decided to adopt that GNUpedia approach and take those licensed work and then GNUpedia said, well, I'm done. That was all we wanted to accomplish. They finished their work because Wikipedia decided to adopt this free documentation license. As those things were happening and I was getting really excited about looking at things like textbooks and free educational works, what could we do there? They're functional in nature. Collaboration would greatly benefit them. Licensing, you can almost think of them as modular like software is and you can piece them together. I really started to put a lot of energy into that area of work really early on and always looking for what are other people doing? Are they doing the same thing in open science and open data and things like that? And how is this philosophy being applied? That mindset from day one and not necessarily just the let's build the operating system or I'm going to make a career continuing to do software development. I almost abandoned that at that point. I still had a desire to learn more in kind of a research academic setting. I continued on with my school career, but at the same time, I put in just as much time into these other passions as I was finishing my college degree.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=1940.383,2267.13"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Karen Herman:\u003c/strong\u003e When you graduated, was that where you got into the open education piece? Where did you go from?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=2267.45,2272.843"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Joshua Gay:\u003c/strong\u003e When I was at UMass Amherst, which is where I transferred after Suffolk University, I guess that would be the fall of 2001. That's when I think the book Free Software, Free Society came out and I was working in the hand-eye limb lab at the robotics lab at the University of Massachusetts Amherst. I think having something so physical and real made me think, how do I build on this? Even if I wasn't immersed with people that were also doing that, it got me excited that I could finish something substantial with people in a year. So I started looking for other kinds of projects. I started a concept project that year called the Free Textbook Project. It had a vision statement, a goal, trying to drum up support, get people to buy into the idea, see if people might be interested in making it happen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=2273.786,2368.968"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Karen Herman:\u003c/strong\u003e What exactly was it? Can you give a long line description?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=2368.988,2373.823"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Joshua Gay:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, absolutely. Basically, the vision was to create an initiative to create the tools and the content for people to be able to put out free and open source licensed textbooks, K-12 and college, with the idea that especially for STEM type topics, let's also build a library of example problem sets and concepts and make it easier at a very modular level to be able to form units and to craft text and use as other teaching materials. If you want to produce your lectures, if you want to actually have full books, all being from the same base that we collaborate on and structured in that way, where you have this base level almost operating system that you then have initiatives on top of. Let's have the specific biology book. Yes, we might have to focus on that, but we feed down into that base level source material. That was the pitch, the concept of it. It led to, in pitching and talking about it, it led to other opportunities that were in the neighborhood, projects that had already gotten off the ground. Did this one get off the ground? This one didn't get very far. I felt like I would need a substantial number of people who had experience doing this work and creating it. I just didn't feel like it was something that I had the competency to just start doing and making. It was more a startup-type approach with a pitch and trying to get some seed funding around the idea and a small website that did exist for quite a long time. It didn't really make it past that, but in going out there and pitching the idea, I was able to find other people doing similar projects or similar in kind, or that might be considered a piece of this broader vision that I had. There was a website, a blog that Jason Turgeon created called Textbook Revolution. It was just published a bunch of listings and reviews of various... If you're a teacher and you're making your book freely available online, here's a quick little library-type entry and a link to it. If need be, we would store the file if it was above board. I took over that project and ran it for a number of years. For a long time, it was the largest and biggest resource for freely available or educational, K-12, mostly college, but some K-12 textbooks and course readers and things like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=2373.843,2606.1"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Karen Herman:\u003c/strong\u003e What was it called?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=2606.401,2606.982"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Joshua Gay:\u003c/strong\u003e Textbook Revolution.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=2608.125,2609.147"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Karen Herman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Okay. All right. Why don't we stop here and take a little break and then we'll come back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=2609.548,2614.904"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Joshua Gay:\u003c/strong\u003e Awesome. Thanks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=2615.986,2618.21"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Karen Herman:\u003c/strong\u003e We're back on. When we left off, what did you do after you graduated? All these things you've done before that, we're still also in school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=2618.45,2628.221"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Joshua Gay:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. I met my now-wife while I was in college and she... Meredith. Meredith Beaton. Meredith was at Wellesley College in Wellesley, Massachusetts. It's an all-women's college. She got a degree in computer science and a minor in math. I got a degree in math and a minor in computer science. We both have this passion, but coming at it from different angles around education. The Free Textbook Project to me was really a way to empower learners and especially, I think I probably projected a lot of myself onto other learners, people who love to be able to go out there and learn on their own or at their own pace or to make it easy to adapt curriculum to learners like myself. I'm pretty sure I probably, at that time, it wasn't much more sophisticated than that. That was informing the design of it. Meredith also had a passion for education. She applied for graduate school at Columbia University and got accepted to the Teachers College at Columbia. After we graduated, we moved to New York, a little apartment on the Upper West Side. I didn't have a job. I started the applying for two kinds of jobs. One was leaning on my background in editing. After I published Free Software, Free Society and I got a lot of experience in publishing, one of the gigs I had in addition to some other jobs in college was being a copy editor. I was able to put out, copy edit four or five large volumes of work for them. Nothing too exciting, but I got trained by Ann Costante, who in the math publishing world was somewhat famous and really amazing. It was a really great thing. I learned so much and gained so many skills that it seemed silly to not apply those after college. I applied to small publishing houses. I really did want to learn how could I do this free textbook project by myself if I can't get funding and hire people to do it. I also applied for software development jobs. The first one I got was at at a small publisher that focused on writing texts and supplementary works to textbooks and some textbooks, but that was a hard thing to gain entrance into. It was run by an owner, an operator, wear every hat and hire contractors and others as he can. One of the things that really made me want to work for him is I pitched for him the idea behind the free textbook project in in my interview. He said, I'm looking to get out of this. If this works out, maybe you could take over this company and you could convert it. Although the odds of that happening were very low, it was enough to get me to accept the job offer for not much pay on the spot. That's what I started out doing. That didn't last but a few months. Pay was challenging. The work was really demanding, really fast-paced. I tried to turn over tests and other things that basically textbook companies needed done on short order. They would go to him and he would go to me and say, a hundred problems or something. I couldn't keep up that kind of pace and it didn't work out, but I learned a ton in that short period of time. Then I went on and I got a programming job for Harris Corporations briefly. I tried to convert them to Freed Open Source Software while I was there in my brief time for a few months. Then my wife- Any ill-luck? No, No, not really. I persuaded one director in the company. They had an old system. It was a trading system for people buying airtime for commercials, national and local TV commercials. You have this whole real-time bidding of the agents who are buying commercial slots or trying to for their clients and whoever has a commercial to sell and the network televisions. It was a pretty cool system because in New York, where all of those people were, they had had this system running continuously since the 80s with almost no downtime because basically buying slots for commercials is something that happens 24 hours a day. There's always adjustments on prices and things like that. I learned a ton, but because it was such an old system and just mainframe style approach, they had a very slow and rigorous process for updating it with new records and things. I wrote a system where you could fill in templates with the record information you wanted. Then a Python script that would spit out all the C code that was meticulous that used a lot of old data structures and things like that that weren't really used anymore. It was carefully putting all the information into as little memory as possible because back in the 80s, that was really important. At that point in 2003 or whatever it was, it wasn't nearly as important. It was a lot of work to keep the system going. Some people were really excited by taking these tools and I wanted to release it as a general templating engine in Python that could be used for this system. I got it working, but I didn't stick around long enough to actually give it to the company to release it as an open source project. Then my wife managed to compress her two-year program into a year and decided she wanted to go back to computer science. I was excited to go back to computer science. I missed working in a lab, which I was fortunate enough to do for three years at UMass Amherst. We both applied to the University of Oklahoma. I applied there because my advisor from UMass had just gotten a professorship there. She was motivated to apply there because she's from Oklahoma. She wanted to be able to spend a little be able to spend a little bit more time with family. It's a program that we could potentially both get into. We did. I got in provisionally if I could pass some courses. She got in directly into the PhD program in computer science there. That's where we went next. It was there where I really started to get back to doing more with free and open source software in general. I started you know in addition to working in this wonderful symbiotic machine learning lab doing computational neuroscience work, I was sort of moonlighting starting a Oklahoma non-profit called the Commons Development Foundation. And there I was exploring this idea of how do we take these ideas of free software and apply them either to new areas in a sense or even how do we take some of the best ideas of what was emerging at the time as sort of community, what some might describe as sort of the open source philosophy, the development of it, this collaborative collective action type work. How type work. How do we apply that back to sort of the older free software movement which didn't always necessarily which didn't always necessarily apply that. It had moral principles and ethics but the collaborative aspect of the distributed collaborative aspect of things like Wikipedia and whatnot weren't necessarily evenly you you know catching up. It's sort of this race of some doing it really well in some areas and lagging behind at others at that time. And so I began working with Solona Bohnwald who's a she previously had been doing some work with EFF and ACLU down in Austin, Texas and she was really excited to start doing a government transparency project and built on free software and she formed this thing called the League of Technical Voters which was to sort of launch these initiatives and I was exploring similar things. I decided to create something called MagnaWiki, a way to do annotations and revisioning of legislative texts so drafts of bills and things like that and so I was regularly calling legislative aides and things and getting their input and they were excited they were saying yes you want to make tools non-profit to make our job easier to comment to compare and things like that. They were surprisingly very receptive and willing to give their time and so I was able to find some other like-minded people like Solona down in Texas and then similarly the Sunlight Foundation had just started led by Ellen Miller and funded by and led by Michael Klein and so you know I was also reaching out to them finding opportunities for you know potentially getting funding from them. They had me submit a full kind of grant proposal through the Commons Development Foundation on MagnaWiki and made it through a few rounds which was pretty exciting and at the same time locally in Norman, Oklahoma I worked with the Triangle Fraternity, an engineering fraternity, not Delta, Triangle and maybe the only frat I probably would ever consider joining. It's really wonderful frat of of engineers with really great attitudes and I work with them on doing a sort of a 24-hour hackathon event and it had a mix of things including writing code but also making musical instruments so it had this sort of Maker Faire type aspect and a number of other activities and we invited people just from the community as well to come and join and partake in addition to the student population. I started to reach out to, I started to put together proposals for the free textbook initiative, that free textbook project that I was still pursuing and also I put together a proposal to the Free Software Foundation to launch something called Libre Planet where I suggested we kind of take this idea of using wikis and other tools as a way to do distributed organizing around sort of issue campaigns that mattered to the free and open source software world as well as to organize both local events and sort of a larger conference and this was all great. It was a lot to be doing on top of making next to nothing as a research assistant in the lab and by the end of the year I decided that I probably shouldn't stay enrolled and pursue a degree and my wife decided that going the full PhD route was not what she wanted. She really wanted to go and use that education degree so she started applying for teaching positions. At the same time I started to look for either keeping the Commons Development Foundation running or taking on a role elsewhere. I ended up meeting with the Sunlight Foundation, the One Laptop per Child project which was just getting off the ground and meeting with the Free Software Foundation and I settled on the Free Software Foundation as a full-time job as one of their first of two campaigns managers to run issue-based campaigning. They really was sort of building on this contract that I had started with them to do Libre Planet which that work had already begun and was underway and did lead to exactly that a wiki that had some distributed collaboration and conference and the annual conference happens every year in March now going on since I don't know know 2005-2006. I can't remember when they did their first one. So we moved back to Boston. My wife helped build the middle school program at Cambridge Montessori School and became a Montessori certified teacher. She taught all the subjects except for art and wrote the curriculum and most of the source material, a lot of it from primary sources. So I just say that because that's a lot of work and so I spent many a weekend in her classroom for three years straight and during the weekday I would work at the Free Software Foundation and in the evenings I would spend a lot of my evenings at the One Laptop per Child project over in Kendall Square in Cambridge, Massachusetts, sort of volunteering for them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=2628.241,3646.813"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Karen Herman:\u003c/strong\u003e Talk a little bit about the Free Software Foundation and what it was like to work there. Were you reunited with the Richard Stallman as well?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=3646.833,3654.426"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Joshua Gay:\u003c/strong\u003e So yeah Richard, when I was working on the book one summer I did a two-month internship at the Free Software Foundation. Bradley Kuhn was the executive director at the time. He eventually went on to work with the Software Freedom Law Center when it first started and then launched the Software Freedom Conservancy, an organization he helped to found and is now led by Karen Sandler. So my first sort of time in the office was when Bradley was in charge and they were just, you know, at that time I don't think I saw Richard Stallman except maybe once or twice. It really was just operating, you know, executive director and below and didn't really have much engagement with Richard or the rest of the board. And then when I came back as an employee, as a campaigns manager, it was similar. So Peter Brown became the executive director at that time. John Sullivan was the other campaigns manager. He went on to become eventually the executive director the executive director for many years, shortly thereafter, maybe a few years after I started there. And they had unionized, so they were a local under the United Auto Workers. And in part, you know, that union and that bargaining and that contract helped set kind of some firm boundaries, I think, in part between Richard and the board. Richard, as a founder of a small, passionate organization for many years that, you know, was sort of having to keep it going himself largely, I think anybody in that situation sometimes have a hard time stepping back and not just injecting themselves, right? And him, maybe more so than others, was at times injecting himself and coming down and sort of, you know, directing the staff or, you know, influencing changes. And so they put in place that union, which really helped protect the roles and the reporting and everything. And so when I had arrived, that was already established. And I would say, you know, the interactions with Richard were more structured in general. And, you know, there would be collaborations on things, maybe send text for feedback to Richard, or maybe there would be specific be specific things that he would be giving his direct input on or would need to be the final say on. But it didn't feel like I worked for him ever. Peter Brown and then later John Sullivan did a really good job of sort of establishing that and enforcing that separation between, you know, management and everybody below that was in the union. And that really helped. It made it a healthier environment, I think, than it might have otherwise been. Because Richard did travel immensely at times, you know, giving well over 100 talks a year around the world, which means, you know, he would just sort of swoop in and, you know, try to get a whole bunch of things done at once. And if you're a person trying to, you know, just have a job and get your things done, that can be very disruptive and very difficult. And, you know, they did a really nice job of helping to balance, you know, that and preventing those disruptions by the time I had arrived. I know that the people I worked with previously had gone through a lot of that and it was very challenging. But it was a good time. You know, they were really transitioning from kind of selling the GNU project code on CDs as a primary means of income to creating a membership based organization where, you know, they're kind of surviving on an associate membership that gives, you know, between $100 and $200 a year, small gifts. And for me, I really was excited by that because my goal was to try to create a distributed kind of collaborative approach to supporting free software, supporting end user rights and things, as well as bringing support to free software communities and developers. And so it was a really good time to join that organization. I felt like I was able to do just that. I was privileged to be able to every day interact with, you know, people all over the world that wanted help with one thing or another or making people aware of things that at the time seemed kind of very fringe topics, you know. You know, why are you protesting Microsoft or these other things? And nowadays, if I talk about the same things that we were protesting, the specific issues, it's so clear to people. They're like, oh, that's terrible. Of course, nobody would accept that today. And, you know, so it was very rewarding because there weren't a lot of other people in the space doing that. Now there is. Now there's a lot more people who are out there and digital rights are just just part of, I think, all other things, all other consumer rights. They're not as separate. It's not like there's just Microsoft and Apple and that's it. Now it's, you know, people are very aware of there being a lot of choice and that, you know, terms and conditions and how, you know, how you treat your users and your customers as being your community, right? That has all shifted as an attitude in business. And it was fun being a part of that at the Free Software Foundation, really, really sort of feeling that shift happening and, you know, getting out there and doing work and supporting free software communities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=3655.369,4070.594"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Karen Herman:\u003c/strong\u003e But what do you think your biggest contribution there was during your time there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=4071.2,4074.192"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Joshua Gay:\u003c/strong\u003e I would say helping to, I would say the thing that I have seen the biggest impact on wasn't necessarily just creating the work, like helping to do the work of the Free Software Foundation and their campaigns. I mean, that was an important contribution to help create their campaigns team and their methodologies and shift the business, in a sense, to being more of a consumer awareness, consumer activist org. I think it was more helping the individual developers and others who were trying to do something and being able to support them. So one of the initiatives I was able to help get going was the Respect Your Freedom Certification Program, where sellers of devices, hardware could submit to the Respect Your Freedom Certification Program, their device, and we would have a bunch of criteria, you know, does it let you install free software? Does it have, does it not? You know, how does it respect these different sort of freedoms that relate to free and open source software? And what was exciting is that, you know, sometimes I would be in conversation with somebody who wanted a device to exist, right? And in one case, somebody wanted this whole secondary market of think pads and things to run free software and to be certified and to be able to be resold. So I was able to just sort of support ideas of, well, this is what that would look like. You would need to sell devices. You should probably also consider making a project about doing this work in and of itself that can be promoted, right? So that you can, as a company, actually have other people participating in the thing that you don't have to do it all yourself. And seeing things like that actually get off the ground and then form a company, then form a project. And that happened a number of times in different spaces with routers and laptops. Just sort of feeling as though, even though, you know, our certification doesn't reach some wide audience, it's not even, you know, a true certification mark or anything that we created. Like you would have, say, Certified Organic where you have you have an independent testing lab and things. It was the same company issuing the certification was running the testing. It allowed for this other way of supporting free software communities of saying, look, this does matter. You know, you having sustainable businesses that have these values and getting those off the ground and projects that could be sustained, that can have funding. That was really meaningful and valuable work. And I felt like it not only helped those individual communities, but when sharing and meeting with other community managers and other people doing this kind of work, it allowed me to help contribute to that bigger picture. How else are you doing this? How are you doing it in these other contexts? And I would say that's really where the work I did there was amplified across multiple different sort of communities, both within the free software world through them and that engaging other communities outside of the FSF.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=4077.524,4318.585"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Karen Herman:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, that's really cool. That's really cool. And why don't we stop here for a couple minutes and I'm just going to put the right thing there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=4319.247,4325.771"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Karen Herman:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, we're back on. And you had been at the Free Software Foundation. What was your next move after that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=4326.132,4331.353"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Joshua Gay:\u003c/strong\u003e So because I was still kind of moonlighting with these other projects and still going out there pitching this free textbook project, which just had so many pieces to try to get off the ground was really hard. I ended up getting connected with Neeru Khosla. She had just started a project called the CK12 Foundation, a new company organization. And her and her husband had been in Silicon Valley for quite a while then. She had a master's in I think molecular biology. He founded Sun Microsystems and went on to be a successful and is a successful venture capitalist with Kleiner Perkins Coalfield Buyers and now the Khosla Ventures. So they were doing quite well when they started the CK12 Foundation. Her kids had sort of gotten, she has four children and they had grown up and she was ready to be able to put more focus into sort of a next endeavor in life. And her and Merg and Pal founded the CK12 Foundation to create sort of these flex books, free and open textbook system where educators could go and just download freely licensed K through 12 textbooks that were of good quality and sort of standards aligned and things like that. So right up there in here, that's exactly. Also this idea of modularity and remixing of them and being able to break it down all the way down to building, you know, their vision was very similar in terms of at the end of the day, ultimately having kind of very modular things and being able to make it easy for learners to customize to that individual learner as well as to support the educator who wants to create their own custom curriculum or add to it. So yeah, I flew out to Palo Alto and met with them. And even though things were going great at the Free Software Foundation, the opportunity seemed, you know, it was too perfectly aligned with another passion of mine that I had been trying to get off the ground and felt like the way to actually do it would require a lot of resources. And well, the COSAs had the resources and the passion and a shared vision. And they poured it in to paying not just writers and editors and software developers, but also hiring, you know, people to align the content to state standards, putting in the work of getting Governor Schwarzenegger to pass a governor's, you know, I forget what it was called, but it was a declaration to support free and open textbooks in the state of California for standards alignment to pilot it. And they were able to sort of be able to work at it at all these levels and have the resources to marshal that. And they hired me for this multi kind of this role that sat between the software engineers who are creating the platform and the tooling and editors and the content producers. And to be able to be the sort of the technical content editor that sits between them to help inform the design of the system, be able to communicate and effectively translate between the two and to create and host an intermediary solution for them. So I set up the same software that Wikipedia uses, MediaWiki instance that allowed for things to be input kind of somewhat easily converting from Word documents and other things that the writers were using into a more, you know, text based structured thing that could then be kind of ready to feed into this online tool and system and archive. And so that was just an amazing opportunity. And it was a great, you know, almost two years of my life where I would go out there often two or three weeks at a time and then come back and work remotely. But it became, you know, most of my focus where I had a lot of side projects going on over that two year period but before then, most of those went away because this was just something to get off the ground and build momentum behind. And I think I maybe burnt out a bit after two years. It became a bit much, but it's gone on to be a very successful project, getting them sort of through their pilot program and getting books into school systems at the state level in multiple states felt like I was a part of something really big and a really hard problem at the time that helped kind of, you know, break through a barrier that now many are able to more easily get through. You can get sort of these other learning platforms accepted into schools of these different ways more easily. And I think CK12 Foundation and the Coastals really helped do that. Mergen Pal had a background in doing open source. He had a company previously that was focused on providing open source consultancy and services to other tech tech companies in Silicon Valley. So we really hit it off. He's a brilliant architect in terms of how to go about building an information system that could achieve these sort of lofty goals. And it was a really special time in my life to have been a part of that. And after I finished that work, I didn't go straight back to the Free Software Foundation, but I was fortunate enough to get some contracting work. I worked with Mozilla and Peer2Peer U. I was able to help them launch their first open badges system, which really built on a lot of that kind of visionary education work. What does it look like to put work out into the world, right? To basically, here's how you can put a badge pathway out into the world of curriculum that can be followed and recognized that isn't part of the formal education system per se, but could be. And to find some subtle, important choices about what this would look like. Embedding metadata in the image itself was, you know, here's the image of a badge recognition. It carries with it this metadata about who awarded it to you, what it means, some sort of fundamental decisions early on I got to be a part of. And I got to be a part of a process of facilitating many different kinds of stakeholders and potentially interested parties and hosting events where we were able to fly them in and get together in a room and brainstorm. And then have a week-long sprint of doing this work with collaborators in Barcelona, Spain, where we ran the badge lab and badge workshops at the first Mozilla Festival, which I believe it's called the Mozilla Festival now. Back then, they had branded it their drumbeat festival. And that was really wonderful with Peer to Peer U, an initiative of sort of peer to peer educating on a platform. I got to work on a number of similar kind of education initiatives that melded it well into the badging ecosystem. That was a really great interlude between CK12 and going back to the Free Software Foundation, where I came back briefly as the campaigns manager again and sort of imposing digital restrictions management and promoting open formats and raising awareness about how patents and the threat of patents that gets freed up with our software really create this huge threat and burden to transitioning from all of that work to being the licensing and compliance manager for the Free Software Foundation, which led to sort of in in my mind, a lot of similar type of work of getting to engage the community, not necessarily needing to try to do this is so urgent type campaigning, where every issue is, you know, a giant urgent threat that you need to take action now on. It was, you know, a slightly slower pace, but equally rewarding. Basically, they have an email address, licensing at fsf.org, and whether you're a lawyer or a developer or whomever, and you have questions about freedom of software licensing, you just email them and then they'll answer you. And it turns out that the new general public license and the suite of licenses being the most adopted and used freedom of software license in the world at the time, led to a very large volume of people asking for help and support and often in very, you know, important situations of their company or whatever it may be, their project. And so that was a very rewarding thing to be a part of. I got even, whereas I felt the campaigns management work definitely allowed me to connect to so many people in the public. I think that the licensing and compliance lab work was tenfold, in a sense. There was just so many more people that I was directly helping day to day. And at the same time, also being able to sort of do work at another level. So I was able to write, you know, requests for comments from the government when new things are happening and they're printed in the federal register, you know, you can go ahead and submit comments. So I was able to do that and, you know, set up meeting with the FCC at one time. And, you know, even though it was, you know, for that work, it was one and a half employees with occasional input from others. It felt like we were able to have this huge impact on being able to have this grounding in a very fundamentally important part of this, of digital infrastructure, the licensing. It created this sort of inroad to let's make sure that the policies or the laws and other things are sort of all fitting well together, right? You know, if this policy requires certain conditions, it means that these licenses could not be used and be legal in certain cases, right? And so that is a very real thing. It's not theoretic. Here's all the software under these licenses and here's why they can't run on these devices if you have these laws. And it's very concrete and not philosophical. I mean, maybe you can frame it as being grounded in ethics or you can just be practical and say, a bunch of freely available software can't run on these legally and be in compliance. So that was a really powerful sort of work I got to be a part of that could, you know, go out there and sort of advocate for the free and open source software world. Able to work with the Creative Commons when they did their, I believe, the 4.0 suite of licenses. I was able to work closely with their lawyers on compatibility of CC BISA 4.0 and the GNU GPL. So you're able to get into what got published. It is compatible. You can take a CC BISA 4.0 work and you can relicense it as a GNU GPL version 3.0 license work. And, you know, for some people that wasn't usually important, but where it matters has been very important. It allows for people to go from that sort of creative level of work to be able to move it into sort of the free and open source software licensing world from a Creative Commons licensing world and bridging that gap and making sure that the licenses are sort of, you know, in everybody's view, comparable enough, right? And getting that buy-in and acceptance from communities that these are solving similar problems and that they're considered compatible. You can't go the other direction because of the terms of the GNU General Public License. It doesn't allow you to relicense in other terms that are not the GNU General Public License. But getting that one-way compatibility was hard enough. And that was a really great thing to be a part of. We were able to make some, interact with the W3C standards on the web to have license tags in HTML be accepted when deciding if a website is fully in compliance with the W3C standards. Here are some custom tags. We were able to work with a community called the Microformats community as an intermediary to create, to make those tags considered, accepted as part of HTML5. You know, and these are just things that are, they're not necessarily a big deal for the Free Software Foundation. But the idea that we're working across so many different types of communities where free and open source software matters and these licensing issues or these technical issues are run into a problem. Having that compatibility means that a person who has a policy in their job or in their government, that it has to pass all the tests in order for them to use that. If it doesn't pass the tests, they don't get to use it. If it does, they do. It's as simple as that. But understanding that there are these sort of keystones to sort of the global digital infrastructure and the policies of the laws was really, you know, it was a privilege to be able to be able to sort of sit in between communities of people, their problems, suggestions on where that problem is. That'd be able to go advocate and make changes on their behalf. It It was really just a privilege. It was really great work and I'm proud of what we were able to accomplish in those few years that I worked with them. When did you leave? In 2017, I guess it would be. I think that's right. Is that right? Yeah. I guess it'll be my sixth year at the IEEE where I work now, the IEEE Standard Association. What led me here, really, that work started when I was with the Free Software Foundation. I was invited to be a member of an associate of the Berkman Center, which is now the Berkman Clyde Center at Harvard Law School. They run a cyber law clinic and they sort of this melting pot of think tank type group at the intersection of policy and law and technology. I was invited to come and be an associate. They have fellows and associates there. During my time there, one of the things I did was try to reflect on this idea of there being this kind of global digital infrastructure. There's this feeling of free software. It opens our software. It's starting to be accepted by business, by consumers, things like Android and other platforms really that were open source at the time, really just sort of shifting the marketplace. All of a sudden, put the importance on looking at global institutions, it just made it more important. How do we go from where we are now, kind of as this grassroots, to bringing the same ethos of the grassroots into the institution so it's into the institution so it's not just captured by just the corporate address who's accepting it now? The one blog post I wrote while I was there, and it's still up, I guess I wrote two. One was on health and fitness, health and fitness, health and fitness, health and fitness, an area I was exploring. Maybe this is a way that I could touch more lives and can matter, but that felt like a dead end and not quite big enough. So what I started to focus on was standards and standardization and starting really kind of how do we go the other direction, not how do we get standards development orgs and those who value standardization, but how do we help influence the free software projects and open source software projects to start to think about standards? And so the focus was on how to prepare for standardization at the start of your project, how to approach your open source project as maybe later on in its life becoming the start or the basis for a technology, an industry standard, a global standard. And this really led down sort of eventually when I left the FSF and started to look for my next major sort of thing that I wanted to be a part of, eventually ended up with the IEEE standards association where we're kind of coming at it from both directions. We're a a unified platform and support for general free and open source software projects, which is great, but also we've updated our policies and procedures to allow our standards working groups to incorporate open source at any number of ways in there into their standards. And so sort of coming at it from both ends has been really great. It's been able to do exactly sort of this idea, this direction that I hoped we could go, I could bring my career. And I was just lucky enough that the one major international standards org needed a full-time remote open source specialist that had a background in licensing and software development and community management and all the different hats I've ever worn was more or less what was the list of this would be nice to have in this job. It felt written for me. And it's hard to imagine actually at this point in my life ever leaving the IEEE. It really is an institution that is a global member-driven, member-run 501c3 nonprofit doing work that matters at an institutional level. And, you know, I should disclaim on this talk that all of my opinions are my own and not of my employer right now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=4332.622,5736.745"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Karen Herman:\u003c/strong\u003e What does IEEE stand for? You should probably clarify that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=5736.765,5741.321"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Joshua Gay:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers. This is its second name. It was the American Institute of Electrical Engineers in the 1880s or 1890s when it incorporated. And then when they merged with the Radio Institute of America, I can't remember the name of the other technical society they merged with in the 60s. They did a name revision and a merger at the same time. So the AIEE became the IEEE. The name doesn't necessarily match up with what they do, per se. They cover sort of a very wide range of technical endeavors, all engineering still, very technical, with a focus on local work, promoting scholarly publications, innovation, and standardization, but with a mission for promoting technology for the benefit of humanity, which is sort of, as an employee there, as part of that community, that mission feels very much present in everything. You really feel like you are creating technology that's for the benefit of humanity, which is exciting. And it's the most passionate group of volunteers I've ever worked with, who put in more time and energy than I thought was possible. And I'm a person who has just spent 20 years of my career feeling like I put in so much extra time into all of these volunteer things. And I feel blown out of the water with many of the volunteers I work with. They'll put in, I'll meet with them sometimes two or three times a week, now over a period of years where they'll be going off and flying around the world, giving talks of things often on their own dime or on their employer's dime, just really creating things. And it's exciting because here's this old institution. It has plenty of its flaws and other things, but it's exciting because I'm learning so much from them and being able to bring in and share so much from the free and open source software world and this melding is happening. And I feel like already we're starting to see the benefits of that, of bringing together these different types of communities that have their own contemporary histories and approaches to doing global global collaboration and technology development.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=5741.762,5921.507"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Karen Herman:\u003c/strong\u003e That's fantastic. It sounds like everything just really came together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=5921.527,5926.163"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Joshua Gay:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and I feel really lucky. And I should say when that job came up, it ended up, it came to me, but three people had recommended to the hiring manager, me, and they had sent, other people had sent me the job description. It was that community that I've been pouring myself into, whether it was part of my day job or just part of one of my many different volunteer jobs, they were there for me. And that felt really great because I'm usually just a person who's saying, how can I help? And then when I needed help and then something like this, to know that people thought of me and that I was a part of that and that I was a good fit for this kind of, potentially a good fit for this kind of work, that's really meaningful. It really carries me day to day, knowing that even if we're not always communicating or staying in touch, that there's enough people out there that view the importance of this network of being there for each other, thinking of each other, making sure that we aren't just necessarily getting a job, but we're able to try to have the impact in the ways we want to be able to hear the things that I'm maybe pretty good at or that I have experience doing. How could these be useful? And that there's a lot of people out there in the free and open source software world that really get that. And they're like, oh yeah, I get it. You've done these things. That'd be great. You could help do these other things really well. That would be so awesome. And those kinds of helping us, whether it's on our careers or to get projects off the ground or to go and spend time even volunteering or supporting one way or another each other's work, really feels, it's just indescribable community, the free and open source software.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=5926.503,6072.994"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Karen Herman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, the community aspect just is huge. That's so much a part of it. I want to ask you, how do you think the community has changed since you first got into it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=6073.561,6085.915"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Joshua Gay:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so I would say maybe the biggest change is in the first 10, maybe almost 15 years that I was a part of it, I couldn't really go more than a week or two without having a conversation about questioning the legitimacy of it at a very fundamental level. But asking, well, how do you pay for it? Or how can a business do that? Or why should they give this all away? Or just very fundamental questions were constantly being asked by anybody I was interacting with, even people that were a part of it. And just feeling maybe not confident about it. They might be doing it, but it could feel so tenuous that like, could this just go on? Is this ever going to be like, how do we actually keep doing this? To now, where I don't necessarily think people are on the whole more informed of what free and open source software is. But the legitimacy of it, that it's here, that it's established, is so strong that when you start talking about it, they don't immediately go to questioning those fundamentals nearly as often. Now I have gone maybe two years almost, I would say, at this point. I can't recall a single question along the lines which I used to get, which would surprise me if I could go more than two weeks without having that kind of conversation about how you pay for it. And we used to have to frame it that way, right? So we'd have to explain to people, we'd have little catchphrases and Free Software would say, no, no, it's free as in freedom, not as in beer. Now we don't have to explain what free and open source software is relative to other goods or that it's a matter of principle or other things. We can just talk about it and the fact that we're not, it's not constantly trying to commoditize it or profit off of it or control it. It's just sort of understood that it works in the same realm as Wikipedia and other things that people value and appreciate. To me, that's the biggest difference. And that's where I think us seeing the next phase of what does this mean now for the world? What can we do as people that want to be a part of strengthening the foundations of free and open source software? I think it's a whole different set of strategies and tactics that we're able to now start to think of and to work at another level. And yeah, I really think we've hit this next whole phase where we spent decades kind of maybe going through open source 1.0 or something, and now we're on to open source 2.0. And that's not the original thing. I can look to scholarly publications for business schools that are saying that. And there's citations about this and whole discussions from well-established scholars right now that are publishing using these ideas. And that's different. If you think about where I started and me looking for things to cite, what did I have? I had Next to Nothing. I had guru.org, some writings there, some initial things from Eric S. Raymond, The Cathedral and the Bazaar, which was actually hard to apply, even though there was some good ideas. It didn't directly tie to like an operating system that was in existence. It applied conceptually of why we might be able to have some arguments at a business level, but how do you point towards actual stuff and then make the argument? There was very little for me to work with. And now, nowadays, you can come at it from sociologists who have published books or gotten tenure from it. You can come at it from anthropologists, people like Chris Kelty, who did free software and has gone on to sort of free science and type work. You can come at it from Yochai Benkler and sort of a legal and business school type approach and sort of on and on across these different disciplines. Often, they're multi-discipline kind of areas of work that intersect between business and law and technology, but they are their own disciplines and they have their own conferences. They don't even always feel tied to using the language of free and open source software. They'll talk about open collaborative innovation projects, is the term, right? And the one strong example in their papers is, well, free and open source software is the best example. This is the purest example of this class of ways that people can encourage user innovation or work with communities and things like that. But that's really exciting to me. It's just a whole other set of interested parties coming at it, valuing it in their own ways. To me, that is really important. We don't have to position ourselves against Eric S. Raymond or Richard Solomon or Florence Lessig or some of these other people. We can value their contribution and we can take the ideas, but we don't ground everything in those anymore. We have just a lot more happening and a lot more people coming at it. That's important because we need to be able to understand, we need to be able to look at ourselves, look at the work we're doing, look at issues of sustainability, look at are we going down a rut, are we blindsided, right? Are we focusing on certain problems as engineers, as collaborators, as people who want to build these just because they're the ones we've known how to do? Or are we also looking to tackle hard problems like climate change and other things? And I'm seeing a lot of people that I grew up with in the movement going from developing specific projects that were standards to focusing all of that and applying it to something like climate change, like Evan Pradromo, who helped create StatusNet and did a lot of early federated social networking things. The whole idea that we have mastered on today, which is the distributed competitor to Twitter, is because of having standards that Evan was the chair of through the W3C. A lot of that work came out of, I remember being at the Free Software Foundation when the day before Liberty Planet, the conference that I helped create, they had a separate meeting and they signed this Franklin Street statement on the freedom of network services declaration and this idea of moving towards federated. But it was so entangled in issues that so few people even could recognize as mattering. And now I can talk about it in terms of, oh, people are mad at Elon Musk for politics and things that everybody, very large audiences understand. And they're creating Bastidon and these tools and that just be apps that people have on there that don't take a week to compile and install on your laptop. You just put it on your phone and you can start migrating. It's of real value and you immediately understand it, where it was so theoretic and so bogged out in technicalities and hard to even, you can envision it, but you couldn't talk about it like you can today. You can't give these real context. And now we do. And I think we're working at this next level of, okay, what do we do now? How do we help continue to build on this and take the good and how do we get better at doing it ourselves?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=6089.142,6670.227"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Karen Herman:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow. That's the perfect way to end. We are at time. I don't know if you have one more minute for one more question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=6670.869,6677.972"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Joshua Gay:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. I have a few minutes to wrap up here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=6678.012,6680.583"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Karen Herman:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. It's a very general question, but I think it applies. If your great-great-grandchild were to stumble on this recording 100 years from now, what would you want them to know? What would you say to them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=6680.684,6692.831"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Joshua Gay:\u003c/strong\u003e That 100 years ago, before where I am now, there were engineers and visionaries and artists coming together, solving hard problems like electrifying the nation with electric lines and building radio and they were having geeky dinners through the Morse Society where the whole dinner menu is in Morse code and making jokes and all of the types of support systems were necessary back then that are here now, that large numbers of people in those communities were not neurotypical, that they had all of the same challenges that people today, 100 years later, are having and are able to bring together this idea that, yes, there's engineering, yes, there's corporations, but there's also important things that we're doing for society, for humanity, for culture, for institutions of education and that we're solving a lot of these hard infrastructure and institutional problems today and we face a lot of the same social challenges and the thing that worked back then and that is also working now is not forgetting that humanity of it, not forgetting... Sorry. Just to be there for each other first and foremost and that's really the thing that matters most and everything else is about understanding if you have some policies or laws or specific challenges, remember that who we're doing this for are people that we're doing it together to make that your foundation and the thing that your lens that you see everything through is really that human lens and if you do that, you'll have a chance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634#t=6697.482,6875.937"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89657/file/185634/transcript/42714/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Karen Herman:\u003c/strong\u003e That's really beautiful, Josh. Thank you. Thank you for this interview. 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