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Graduating law school in the early 90s, the internet allowed industries to converge, and her love of technology, entertainment, and law came together. As clients began to bring questions about new open source licenses to Heather, and with a giving and helpful nature, she found herself breaking new ground as an open source lawyer and writing and sharing many of the best practices. Because of the new nature of open source licensing, Heather also found herself coaching business leaders on business strategy as it related to open source ultimately leading her to join a venture capital firm investing in commercial open source software. Heather's journey in open source licensing most recently led her to work as a lawyer on the monumental Google vs. Oracle supreme court case. Looking back on her career, Heather is proud of the knowledge she has shared with others. 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As clients began to bring questions about new open source licenses to Heather, and with a giving and helpful nature, she found herself breaking new ground as an open source lawyer and writing and sharing many of the best practices. Because of the new nature of open source licensing, Heather also found herself coaching business leaders on business strategy as it related to open source ultimately leading her to join a venture capital firm investing in commercial open source software. Heather's journey in open source licensing most recently led her to work as a lawyer on the monumental Google vs. Oracle supreme court case. Looking back on her career, Heather is proud of the knowledge she has shared with others. 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So Heather, I want to start off by asking you to tell me a little bit about yourself. Well, I am a lawyer and a venture capitalist and both in the area of Open Source software. And I've been practicing law for nearly 30 years, mostly in this area. And then I've been doing VC work for about three years. In this area. I have a checkered past beyond that but maybe not all that relevant to what we're doing. I've done a lot of In life law was my third career and my best one. So but but that's what I'm doing these days. Fantastic. So law and Venture Capital. So you've seen different sides of the open source World. It sounds like yeah, definitely. And you know, one of the reasons that I got to those that dual role is said a lot of what I was doing. Doing as a lawyer ended up being more like business counseling and so the is actually a more natural Evolution than you might think. So these days it's a little hard to separate the two except for you get paid differently for doing the two things. So how so, how did that get started for you? And it sounds like we're you walk me through a little bit, maybe of the high-low of like the Beginnings of your career into when you started to get involved in software in an open source. Well, so, I actually was a computer programmer in the 1980s. I know that just sounds. Absolutely ancient now doesn't sound. Ain't it to me, but it's all a matter of perspective and I got into that because there was a lot of demand for people to work in particularly applicable. Locations programming when I graduated from college and I didn't have a degree in computer science. And in fact, most people didn't have degrees in computer science. You, you couldn't really get a degree in computer science, except for maybe, you know, some schools. I went to a liberal arts college and I think they had a computer science major, but you had to kind of Cobble it together. So, I had actually learned programming as a kid because My father taught me the basics of it. And then when I was in college, I took some computer science classes, basically because the computer science lab was air conditioned and I went to summer school and it was really hot plus. I was interested in in programming on, you know, I thought it was kind of cool. So I graduated and I quickly like moved into computer programming. Because it was a lot of opportunity in that area, and nobody required a degree in it at that time because there just weren't enough people. So, you could basically go and put your hand up and say I'm interested and if you had a college degree or at least had been to college for some amount of time. That was a real plus, right. So I worked as a programmer for about four years and and then I went off and did some other stuff. I was a professional musician. While I opened a business and, and then after I went to law school, I realized that actually the law around computer software was very interesting to me because I had this background. So that's a long way of saying that when I started practicing law, I immediately started focusing on computer software licensing as a practice. With and then very soon after that people started to become aware of open-source and they started asking me questions about it. So, you know, I had to figure out the answers to the questions because there weren't many answers floating around there at that time. So I just, you know, started to try to figure out what the answers were and when you're in an organization and, you know, 10% more than the person in the Next Room, you're the Burt, you know, that's just the way the world works. And so people kept asking me questions. I kept trying to answer them and building up my knowledge and that's how I got into it. I would say that the reason I put that effort in, was it? I just thought it was really interesting. I mean this it was something that I had never seen before and and and there's really not been a lot like it and the law because it's just kind of a Grassroots movement. Movement. And from a legal point of view. It was very like messy and hard to understand, which I think most lawyers love stuff like that. Right? We're we're we're puzzle solvers and and this was a really interesting puzzle that moreover had something to do with topic that I was interested in. So that's how I got involved in it as a lawyer and then after practicing for many years. I got more and more interested in how to make business models work in this area. And that's how I got into the Venture Capital. Hmm. So it was kind of initially an interest in computer science or programming, but that kind of came from your dad. Introducing you to computers at a really early age. It did was just out of curiosity. What did he do in? How did that come about where he was like? Oh, yes. Give me once actually. He was a programmer and that doesn't sound extraordinary today at all those incredible extraordinary, then I mean, he actually worked in think-tank kind of place and they were starting to use computers to solve problems, which, you know, people just hadn't even done before that. And so he used to take me to work and I would see Computers with a big tape drives on them and there's like a lot of really amusing stuff about going to these places and being exposed to that. But but but when I was a kid and people would ask me what my father did for a living, you know, I started saying he was like a spy, right? Because it was easier to explain than telling people that he was a computer data processor, which is what he told me to say. Say right, no one understood what that was. And and so I got a really early view into that. And of course, he did not have a technical education either, you know, because at that time nobody did basically. Yeah. Yeah, so then so then you started studying programming. What like, what kept you Interested in computer science computer, like programming is, it's an experience, like almost nothing else. Like, when you are writing a program, you are in total control right, subject to the rules of the language and the environment. You're in, you tell the computer exactly what to do. If the condition Computer doesn't do what you ask it to do. It's your fault. Right? I mean, that's not always true. That's almost always true. So. That's like this experience. It's like pure Engineering in a way. Like you're not even, not even really bounded by the physical world in programming. Like, it's like being a little megalomaniac, you know, it's like really exciting for that reason. Also, it's one of the most absorbing things I've ever done, like when I was a coder, I would go to work and I get there, you know, at 8:00 in the morning. And then at five, I would look up in the day would be over and it was almost as if no time had passed because I was so focused on what I was doing and I don't think I've ever experienced anything else quite like that. Nothing else I've ever done in my life, either for money or for fun. Has has absorbed me that much and I really loved it for that reason, but also got kind of burnt out on it for that reason and and I stopped doing it. Not sure whether that was a good idea or a bad idea. But but it was what happened, you know, so that's what I loved about it. It was just you got to solve puzzles. However, youth you know, and you were only really bounded by your Ingenuity in doing that. I also thought coding was a very creative activity and I'm not sure everybody thinks that but But you have like so much control over, how you do things. I just found that fascinating and then so that kind of that that that sort of freedom and creativity and of just natural dots are going to kept you there. But then you then you left and went into law kind of, but for programming and computer science, tell me a little bit about kind of the departure from programming and then into law and kind of What attracted you to. To law and then we'll marry those together with open source, but tell me a little bit. Well, there was another step in there. I went to music school. I went to a basically, a trade school is a one year program and I went to learn to play drums because I had been, you know, learning drums and I had gotten the idea that I wanted to be a musician by the way, that's a bad idea. But Not because it's really fun to play music but it's a terrible career anyway, so I went to this school and and and then I started working professionally as a musician and I opened a rehearsal studio. So had this little business and and and then I just realized what this is an awful career, you know, there is really no future. Sir in this because, you know, how they say in the entertainment industry. It's who, you know, that's not just likes our Graves. It's really who, you know, and I didn't know anybody, right? And I suppose there are some people who are like, super brilliant who can just make it without any connections. I was not one of those people. I mean, I was competent, but not great. By the way, I in music school. I met people who were really brilliant and I, and I realized, I'm, Not one of those people like, I am not a super talented musician, right? And that's okay. I still enjoy doing it. But, but they understood that about myself, you know, I could do it. Okay, but I would never be like this great player. So. So I decided, okay, I'm not going to do that anymore. Plus I was about nearly 30 at that time and it's kind of a young kids profession and And so what I did was I got a job as a as a temp secretary at a at a record label. I knew someone who worked at the record label and they were and I really needed a job because I didn't have any money. I know how many health insurance it was awful. And and so I started working there and they put me in the legal department and actually really enjoyed working in the legal department. So then they made me a paralegal and one of the paralegals left. They made me a paralegal. Go, and then and then I looked around and I thought I could make a lot more money doing the same work if I just went to law school. Now, that's a huge commitment of time and money. And, and so, that's, that's what got me interested in lie. I actually, you know, I was doing some work in that area, and I thought it was really interesting. And by the way, I thought that I would become an entertainment lawyer. Because I had been working at an entertainment business, but when I got to law school and I realized you could work in technology and and that actually, there was a big crossover to entertainment. I thought I found the perfect place for me. I graduated law school in 1994. 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And that was just me. I was right at the intersection of those things. And when I found out you could work in that area. I thought I would never never wanted to do anything else. This this was perfect for me. Well, so I'm curious what you talked about, like, being really like consumed by programming early on and then All of a sudden seemingly by surprise loving legal. What was it about legal? And I'm curious if you saw any similarities or differences between like the joy that you got from the legal work and from programming. Well, you know, there were some similarities in in the in the joy I got from it. There. Were there also a huge number of similarities between programming and legal like for instance, if you're a If you're a transactional lawyer, like I was is doing deals. When you write contracts, your writing rules for people. When you're programming, your writing rules for computers to execute. There are a huge number of parallels between the two. So, I don't know, maybe I just liked writing rules. But but the kind of enjoyment I got was pretty different. Like it's, it's they're both intellectual tasks. Asks, but they're very different intellectual tasks. Like computer programming is like, pure problem solving and legal. Work is no more analysis and and you have to deal with a lot more, vagueness, like computer programming. Pretty much is what it is and you can't as a programmer usually can't change that like you're in an environment and there's well, you know, for people like me who are applications programmers. You just given the environment. You deal with the rules you're given for for a law. The rules are fuzzy, which is why the world has so many lawyers, you know, so it's a different kind of tasks and much, much more human-oriented. I mean, programmers just sit there all day in front of a machine and you don't have to interact with any human being lawyers. Have to, you know, that's actually about client service and you have to interact with people. I'm curious when you first started to get into law and saw this convergence of tech and law and entertainment on top of that, who are some of the early like influential figures in your career at that stage. It's kind of hard to say because I was mostly blazing my own path. I mean I had colleagues who taught me a lot. But but that was more about how to practice law law is a weird profession. In that you go to The Professional School, which is three years long and they teach you nothing about practicing law. They they teach you some stuff about law but not about being a lawyer at all. They're basically teaching you to be a judge. So most of us don't become judges and we go into private practice and then you have to learn how to be a lawyer. So I had wonderful colleagues who taught me how to be a lawyer. But as far as the open source expertise, you know, we were kind of writing the rules in a way. We were looking at these licenses and trying to figure out how to like, plug them into a legal context, and one of the reasons I enjoyed the area is through, just wasn't anything out there about it. So I one of the things I started doing was writing about it because I really like to write. And and I thought, okay, there no materials. I'll just write them. And and so I was kind of on my own for a lot of it. I mean, I've I've had some Friends, you know, whom I've been able to bounce things off of but I wasn't like I don't know. There wasn't one person who was like guiding me at all. Yeah. Yeah, like you said it was kind of Blazing your own path and it was new and like you were kind of deal. Would clients would ask you questions. You'd have to figure it out. Yeah, there were there weren't answers really. You had to just kind of extrapolate from The basic legal answers that you knew and that was, it was scary and challenging. And but that's kind of what I liked about it too. Yeah. What can you remember? Like, the first time that you remember, hearing about open source and what that was, and that it's something different than typical way with climate. I think a client sent me. A copy of one of the permissive licenses, like the BSD license, which is a very short license. It's like a couple of paragraphs to three paragraphs and and it didn't look like anything I'd ever seen and then they were asking, is this okay to use? And there was no one around me to answer that question. So then I started reading everything I could about what was out there and there was some stuff written about it, but it was mostly What I would call advocacy. So there were free software Advocates who were saying, you know, software should be open, but that wasn't legal analysis. Right? And so the, the legal kind of objective legal analysis was not out there at all. So that's what I had to start, you know, trying to figure out and there were other people trying to figure it out too, but we weren't really working together at that. Point. So yeah, I'm sure it was somebody sending me like the BSD license. A client asking. I don't remember what client it was, but client sends me. BSD license. It says, hey is this okay? And I gotta answer that question is actually a very difficult question at the time. So what so what were I mean, what was that like to start to see some of these other types of licenses come up and you're going Through trying to look at research. That's out there. What were the, what were the challenging aspects? And how did that kind of evolved into something that became more? I don't know. Foremost. The right word, but they're like there are now practices and stare like is your on open source. Like how did that kind of evolved over time? Well, I should probably explain like when you're a lawyer and someone asked you a question, they'll present you with some facts and then you either know what the law is or you look it up like you do some research and you maybe you read a case or you read a statute or something like that. And then you apply one to the other and you give an answer. So, in open source, that didn't work at all. There. Is there were, there were like there are copyright law, but it doesn't tell you how to Interpret open source licenses, there's contract law, but it doesn't tell you a lot about that either. So, I was looking at this set of facts like this license and then I had to go. Okay, what do I know about the law that would ever apply to this thing? Because it's just a new thing and I there was there were no cases to read there are no statutes to read There were there weren't even any like law review articles to read and and so, you know, it's It's kind of had to reason from first principles about it, and, and lawyers. That scares a lawyer is a lot like when they don't have rules they get freaked out. They like rules, right? So the experience was like walking out on a wire, you know, and and by the way, there were some people at the time and probably still some some people some lawyers who just would not deal with it at all because it was too weird and two new and they felt that it was risky to give advice. About it, but my clients had questions, you know, I couldn't just say, oh no. I don't know the answer to that. Like you have to figure it out. Hmm. And then so what started to happen after that? Like what happened next? I mean, I after you started to write about it, you started to get more. Start to see this more. What happened? Well, first of all, I started to meet other people who are interested in the topic and So now we're like in the late 1990s, early 2000s. And and so now I'm meeting a few other lawyers who seem to be knowledgeable about it. And so, first of all, some communities developed around that so that we could bounce things off each other and and then, you know, I started getting some reputation for knowing You know, about this thing, people would just call me out of the blue, you know, because they, they were really at Sea trying to figure this stuff out and then and then what really developed over the next 10 years and continues to develop today is best practices around dealing with the licenses because there's still not a lot of direct law on them, but there are practices that people agree are. Best practices. So that's that's really what happened. Next was some development of the law, but mostly a development of a way that people generally did things in order to deal with the licenses. What what was it like when you started to meet some of those other players and open-source space and and tell me a little bit. I know you've said to me before that there's there's different types of Stakeholders in the open source Community. Tell me a little bit about like the types of stakeholders and some of those early interactions you had, as you started to meet like the world of players, if you will, well, I met clients who were interested in it as so they were actually. Usually other lawyers might who wanted to learn about it. So I was helping them learn, as I learned about it. I I also had clients who were injured. Here's and though there are developers. So there are the people actually creating the software. The most important people, by the way, the lawyers are just, you know, on along for the ride, right? So I met a lot of Engineers, who actually interested in writing open source software. I met other lawyers, just, you know, who were not clients or colleagues, who were interested in it, and I would say, maybe the relationship I had with them. I'm was a little bit of Frenemies, you know, because we were competing with each other but but on the other hand, there weren't so many of us that we could really afford not to collaborate, you know, and, and then like they're developed a lot of other categories of people involved like Community managers. So these may not actually be developers, but maybe they're people who helped bring open source. Oliver's together. There were business people who wanted to, you know, use open source in their business or use open source as a business tool. So those were those are some of the main stakeholders that I started to interact with overtime. Yeah. Do any of those kind of early projects? Like really piqued your interest or when did you Start to see open source has something transformative. I really saw it as transformative almost from the beginning, II did not realize and I'm not sure, very many people would have realized at that time, how huge it would get, but it was just so different from everything else that you learned as a technology lawyer. Like, if you do a regular software license, you know, it has a particular Form and some terms that you would expect. So there's a, there's like, an industry practice about that open sources like Bizarro World licensing. It's like exactly the opposite, because I giving away right and forcing people to give away, right, instead of just like, normal licensing is like just granting. The minimum little thing necessary to get the deal done, but like being a stingy as possible. That's like what you do with proprietary license with, oh, Open source. You do like, here it is, do whatever you want with it. And there are very few limitations. You got to really think hard about like, what what are those those they're not really limitations like conditions. What was conditions mean and how do you comply with those? So it was just totally different and I like that about it because there's a lot of mental gymnastics like involved in trying to switch from one Paradigm to the other. What? How how do those differences between open-source and kind of proprietary systems? What kind of changes does that create both from a business context from how people interact? I'm not saying it's huge. I mean, you know, if you look back before, so open sources used by everybody, now, like almost everyone in the technology industry now actually contributes to it. I mean, it's everywhere, you were using it right? This minute to do this interview. It's in your phone. It's everywhere, right? 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And and today you have all these like big organizations and companies collaborating on things and giving stuff away and that just wasn't done. I would say open-source changed the entire face of Technology because it it changed the Paradigm for how How people interact, you know, they were just strictly competitors. And now their collaborators, and even, there are, there are only, like, maybe two or three companies that are known for not doing it now, right? If you go back 25 years, like, no one was doing it. They were terrified about what these licenses meant and everything. So it's completely been absorbed in business and that, you know, if you believe in markets, which I do, because I studied economics. It's stuff that one a happened, unless it worked right. It actually works as a paradigm Like It produced. A lot of really great stuff and over that time, people became convinced of that and they overcame Their Fear about these licensing paradigms. They didn't understand. So they got over the fear and then it really change their behavior. So to me, it's changed everything about the way the technology. E industry operates. Kind of looking back on your interactions with clients and you mentioned earlier that kind of as being a lawyer is almost also being a business advisor, where they're at. You know, what a funny moments kind of stand out in your mind where whether it was a resistance to the idea of Open Source, or we're just like clicked or like how you approach that and That's it. That's a tough question. I don't remember one instance so much as it seems to me. Like I've spent decades now talking people off the ledge because they're they're frightened. Everyone is frightened of things. They don't understand, right. So I I spent many, many hours, just explaining how things worked and trying to reduce people's level of Year, and by the way, I that's not a normal tasks for a lawyer. Like most lawyers, have the task of identifying risks and warning people about stuff. I've my career has been almost the opposite like saying no, you really don't need to worry about this. Yes. It's a three theoretical risk, but in the end of the day, it won't matter and and so that's what I remember is like years and years of doing that. Where do you think that comes from? That kind of opposite disposition that You that you seem to have well, maybe I you know, maybe it never should have been a lawyer. You know, that's it. That's certainly, you know, open to question. Right? Because I think my personality is not like it is a little different from most lawyers. I'm very practical and and maybe that's why I liked programming to, you know, I'm a very practical type. I think I am an engineer at heart and so I like to create stuff. And I like to create procedures and so forth and I like to build stuff and, and that's not really a lawyer personality. I don't know where I got that, but don't remember getting it. I think I just came into the situation with it. Yeah. It's interesting you mentioned before though. It's both like maybe you like creating rules. But you also mentioned how there is it seemed to me like almost a certain Freedom at least when You were programming where you're not bound but you know, by the yeah real world. It's like this pure, it's just pure creative Endeavor. Yeah, to me. That's what it was. Yeah. Yeah. So talk me through some of the other kind of inflection points in your career, as you then progressed, as you meet, more people, what were some of the main inflection points from there. Well, I changed law. Firms a couple of times. You know, I was at one place and I just felt like I wasn't succeeding there and know that was an important life lesson and it was kind of painful. But now turned out. Okay, you know, part of the problem I had I think was that being an open-source lawyer was not really a thing, right? And and the people I worked with didn't even understand. Like they didn't even think it was important. They didn't. Leave value this expertise my clients valued, but no, but the people I was working for didn't and so I just thought I need to be somewhere where I can just kind of carve my own path because I didn't want to go on the paths that were available and nobody was going to go say, oh we have an open source. Expert. Isn't that a great thing, right? Today? They would. But but at the time know, Like it just wasn't recognized as a career path. So that was a little painful because I had to you know move and I felt kind of like a failure and but it was also a real learning experience. And you know, what I would say about that is that everybody goes through those things? Like if you look at people and they seem to just have succeeded one in one thing after another, no. He does that right everybody? Crashes and burns and and it's about how you react to that. It's not, you know, it's not, you can't avoid it in life. Right? You're going to have setbacks, but I am extremely persistent and I was very interested in the topic. And I just thought I asked a find a situation where I can do this. The other thing is, I made a decision along the line that what I wanted from my law practice was to Be the best lawyer I could be like. And I wanted to be the best in this area. You know, I wanted to to pursue excellence and that is not the same as pursuing money. I mean, they do interact a lot at a good Law Firm, right? But, but I could have done other things to make more money and I mean, don't get me wrong. I've been a partner at a big Law Firm. A years. And it's, you know, very well paying job, but, but that was an important choice, you know, I could have gone in a different direction. I probably wouldn't have been a specialized. It would have done different kinds of work, but what gets me out of bed every morning at my desk is not like, oh I'm going to make a lot of money today or even I'm going to make a lot of money for my clients today is like, I just want to do something really difficult and interesting, like that's what I wanted. To do and it's important to know, you know what you want out of a career and, and you'd never know it when you're starting out, you learn that over time. So so I made choices that led me down that path. And so, what did that look like to then? You know, you left the law firm felt like they didn't necessarily appreciate open source in the way that you did. And here he is saying that there's this opportunity to dive into it more and pursue it. So what what did you do? Well, in fact, they told me this is good. This is kind of astonishing at this point, but I was told we don't really need people. This is at a technology Law Firm to. We're not really need people with software expertise. I mean, it's like such a ridiculous statement because then the entire world like, as Andreas and said, like software ate the world, right? Like why would you even say that? But then that was just what that that situation just what was what it was and and so, you know, I left and just went to another firm and I went to a place where they were a lot more eggs. Bostick about what your practice was basically. I interviewed at this place and is talking to the guy that ran the firm and he asked me what I did and I said, oh I'm, you know, specialist an open source and I explain something about my practice and he said, I have no idea what you're talking about. But I have a couple of questions for you. Do you have clients? I said, oh, yeah. I've got a lot of clients. Do they pay you? I said, yeah, they pay me. Amy, they're glad to pay me. He's like great, you know, and so I really needed an environment like that, by the way props, where do that was Greenberg traurig and and they they were just so wonderful because they gave me this opportunity to make my own way. And and that was that was huge for me. You know, I it was it scary because then you've got to perform right but But that was the kind of place where they were. Like, look, if you've got a good practice, we welcome you and it was it was less about their mission than about the mission of the people that worked there. And what did that feel? Like to kind of have this again? Like antithesis kind of thing where I was like, oh, yeah. It's almost like you're a VC. So do you have traction? Okay. Well, there must be something here. I don't know if I get it or not, but the market says that that there's yeah, exactly. What like, what was, what was that? Like and what did that feel? Like to have someone kind of embrace, you know, it was, it was great. I really felt appreciated and I really needed that at that point, you know, because I had been through this, you know, sort of difficult transition and and I and I like them forever grateful that there was that opportunity, you know, because I could have not run into that opportunity. And another thing is that like it matters how people run businesses, you know, it's not you here all the corporate messaging in a place you work and that matters like the culture matters and that particular business. Like the first firm I worked at you would go to a company event and they would say they had a mission statement. Here's our mission statement, come along for the ride, and then I went to Greenberg and they and we would have a meeting and they would say and then we honor It would say, how can we help you succeed? Like, you know what you're doing. Okay, we went to hire you, unless you knew what you were doing. How do we help you succeed? And that was like so empowering, right? It's a great way to run a business if you can run a business that way and and it was it was a great feeling because I really like just having the freedom to to go in my own Direction. Could you talk a little bit about kind of, from from that period of then really diving into practicing like open source, law to becoming a VC in the open source community and how in the world did that happen? And that's a good question. Yeah. Yeah, so I didn't really intend that to happen. But but the the, the person, Runs the VC, firm. Joseph Jax is, he's called JJ. He just like contacted me out of the blue. Basically one day and said, hey, I'm starting a fund. That's around, open source. Do you want to be part of it? And my first inclination was, what do you want me form? Just, I'm a lawyer, but then I talked to him more and I thought, oh, actually, this does make a lot of sense, because I had been spending a lot of time. Counseling people on business models. And I almost didn't realize how much of my time I was spending doing that. There was this event that took place, and this is kind of inside baseball, but hopefully I can, you know, make it understandable, somebody. I knew came to me and asked me to write this license, a new kind of license, and they asked me to do it for free. It wasn't a client engagement. And I, A sure, you know, because I always help people do stuff, you know, and so I wrote this thing. I actually led the drafting on is probably more accurate and it got released and it was enormously controversial. This was something called The Commons clause and and I was roundly, criticized for doing this. I mean, you know, there was all sorts of trolling and Flame Wars and stuff. Tough over this thing and and I thought to myself at that point. Oh my goodness, you know, I did this for free and you know, no good deed goes unpunished and all this sort of thing, but then it turned out that although that particular project didn't really fly for a variety of reasons, people wanted to do similar things, and they were very interested in like the concept that this involved a concept. I didn't come up with I just wrote the thing, right? People only what they want and I wrote it for them. And so I was just a Craftsman there. But then people started coming to me and saying, well, I want to do something like that and and so over the course of maybe a year. I probably did a project like that for several dozen companies. I mean, that's a lot of companies, you know, what's a lot of clients in that amount of time. So, so I that involved a lot of discussion about business models, so I kind of fell into this thing just because somebody asked me to do something for them and and then all of a sudden like I was the person doing this thing and I have to say that, you know, that changed my whole career, because I started doing different kind of work and that's kind of how I got into the business model, counseling more than just kind of the pure licensing analysis. I did a favor for someone which seemed to be a very bad idea at the beginning, but it turned out to be a very good idea. I mean, maybe not so different than the first client who said, hey, Let me go look because like this was also new, this is new territory to but and and I guess you know, there are probably would have been a lot of people who would have said no way. I won't do that particularly for free, but but I said, yeah sure sign me up. There might be some some similar ethos there around free and open source software. And yeah. Absolutely. I mean my whole philosophy like for all these years has been, if somebody asked me to help while I help them if I can like. And whether it's going to result in pain work or not, is kind of secondary for me, and I'm not sure again. I'm not sure that's a way to make the most money or more beads. But actually, I think it does make you successful. Like paying it forward really works in a service. Business and it's also makes you happier. I think because you get to help people. I like helping people. Where do you think you'd be without open source, if I open source? Never existed? Well, I'll start a starving drummer know, I might be a Starving Musician. Well, more likely I just be doing like m\u0026a deals, which is fine, you know, I've done tons of them, but but it wouldn't have been as Wilder ride open sources crazy, like every time you think that you've seen everything, something absolutely crazy happens. Somebody is doing something totally nuts. And Wake up and you read the news and you're like what how could this happen? And and it's it's scary but fun. It doesn't happen so much in like m\u0026a deals. Would it be worth in the last few minutes that we have here talking about Google versus Oracle? That was a big deal. And you were involved. Yeah. Yeah. That was an amazing experience. It was, I mean, I think for most well, there aren't so many software copyright lawyers running around out there, but for those of us in that area, that was like the case of the century and it was also between two big companies that had a lot of money too. Litigate and I loved working with Google. I mean, they're a great client to work with and I just got it was so great to get to work on a landmark thing like that. And I also thought it was really important to the industry and I'm really glad we want. Could you, you know, for the sake of History I would could you talk just what were what were the implications of the case? What was at stake in kind of what was it about? Well, on a, on a doctrinal level it was about whether you could copy the interface of some software in order to re-engineer it. So, so if there's some software and you don't like that software for a variety of reasons, like, you know, like the way it works or you don't like the licensing for it or whatever. Can you take the interface for? It and redo it yourself because that's basically what Google did with Android and as opposed to Java which was what Oracle owned and and there was an before that case, in the software industry, pretty much everyone assumed you could do that and not have liability and then this lawsuit happened. And in fact, the law was not very clear about it and because you had to Two parties with a lot of money to litigate, you know, there was just every issue got, you know, argued to the max. Right? And the eventually the Supreme Court decided that that Google could do what they did and that case. But but the decision was, I think unfortunately a little bit limited to its facts, pretty much which was that They could do that in that case, but that doesn't mean that you could go to the next situation and also do it. It was under something called a fair use Doctrine, which is very fact-specific. And you know, ironically, one of the first, I remember the first professional lecture. I gave as a lawyer when I was an associate was on the fair use Doctrine and I had written a paper on it in law school and then I ended up doing this huge case on it. So that was interesting because it's only because I wrote this paper in law school that I kind of knew that defense like the back of my hand. And then you know, I got totally steeped in it for the 10 years of that case. No working on it on. And off. What what did it mean to you to work on a case like that? Well, it's great for cocktail party conversation like theirs. It's something that people outside of my sort of immediate sphere may have heard of right. Where is Lee open source stuff, like most of them haven't really heard of it. So and I think it's, it's understandable to people. So, that's that's good. I thought it was hugely important case because if you can't rewrite software to suit your needs like, I don't know what that would even mean. I think what it would have meant is that you, if you can't do that, then. It would stifle Innovation, a huge amount just to give an example like Linux which is the operating system that's open source, right? That was created because for in exactly the same kind of project. 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In a way, we wouldn't have had the open-source movement at all. A lot of Open Source software is actually reimplementation of proprietary software. So that's one reason why it was hugely important to open source in that sort of, and kind of coming to a rap year. I mean, Where would the world be with without open sores, you know, how has open source change the world and why does it matter? Why does it matter to you? I guess without like without in Linux. We would all be just using Windows and Mac OS I guess or maybe Unix. And one thing that would mean is that the developing world would have Lux less access to software because they have to pay for every copy. The developing World couldn't like localized software for their own languages. And we would not have had this sea change in business where people now look, people now ask businesses to be collaborative with each other as opposed to just fighting with each other and competing with each other. I think it's it's changed a technology world and has changed the business World it. I once did this talk called, I think like, it's a wonderful Linux or something or and, and it was It's a Wonderful Life, like asking what would the world be like without open source? And of course it was dreary, right? Right. Doom and Gloom. Yeah. What are you most proud of when you look back on your career or anything else that you'd want to share kind of enclosing? Yes, I'm most proud of what I the knowledge. I've shared with people. That's really. It's really important to me to teach other people what. You know, I mean and even if you only know, 10% more, it's okay. Right to teach other people. And that's what I'm most proud that I was able to develop a career where I was able to do that and still have a successful career. Like I'm glad I was able to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55141/file/128767#t=3089.6,3241.3"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55141/file/128767/transcript/34050/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_2:\u003c/strong\u003e Of so much away","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55141/file/128767#t=3241.6,3242.7"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55141/file/128767/transcript/34050/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_1:\u003c/strong\u003e because when you look back over it, I think that's what gives you satisfaction as like, what did you do for other people. And and I think I've done that. I've certainly given away a lot of books and videos and all the knowledge that I could absolutely anything else before I wrap. Now, that's it. I mean, it's been it's been really fun talking about this. I don't get asked to To talk about myself, that much. So of course everyone loves talking about themselves, but but is it was fun to look back over over the whole thing and, you know, try to figure out what the story arc is. Absolutely. Well Heather, absolute pleasure and an honor and thank you for your time and contributing your story. 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