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I am Elisabetta Mori, an interviewer with FASDA, and today I'll be talking to Dr. Marshall Kirk McKusick. We are recording on the story.io and I am in Livorno, Italy. Kirk is in Berkeley, California, in the US. Dr. Marshall Kirk is a computer scientist known for his extensive work on BSD Unix from the 1980s to FreeBSD in the present day. The BSD daemon, often used to identify BSD, is copyrighted by him. He has twice been president of the board of the Usenix Association. He was member of the FreeBSD Foundation Board of Directors, a senior member of the IEEE, a member of the ACM, and of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. Welcome, Kirk, and thank you for being here today.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=9.882,72.568"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_00:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=74.261,74.582"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_01:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, so let's start with where and when were you born?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=76.461,81.071"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_00:\u003c/strong\u003e I was born in Wilmington, Delaware, Delaware on the east coast of the United States, and I grew up in Wilmington. My father was an executive for the DuPont Company. He started in the central research department and then moved over into agricultural chemicals and finished his career in the division that tested chemicals to verify that they wouldn't have bad effects on the environment or on people, which was something that you would take for granted today, but 40 years ago when he was in that department, it was a new idea that was being promoted by the DuPont Company and would ultimately become something, of course, that became industry and countrywide. My mother was a pediatrician. She was in the first class at Harvard University that admitted women to the medical school. She and two other women were in that initial class, and she came to Wilmington because that's where my father was working, and the normal thing that you would do when you were a new doctor is you would get associated with some other doctor, and they would bring them in, and you could start to build up a practice, but none of the male doctors that were pediatricians in Wilmington seemed in Wilmington seemed particularly interested in having her be part of their office, and so she decided that she would just, quote, hang her shingle out and start just accepting patients, and that, of course, financially wouldn't normally work out, but since my father had a significant income, she was able to do this, and in particular, she was willing to take black patients, which the other doctors were a little bit hesitant about, and so they would, for example, say, well, black patients could come on Thursdays because that way the white patients, if they didn't feel comfortable being in the same office with black patients, could just avoid making appointments on Thursdays, and, of course, if they needed an appointment some other day of the week and they were black, well, that was just too bad for them, so it became well known in the black community that that my mother was willing to take black patients, and before very long, she had about 2,000 patients, and because of this, ended up living in a house that was right literally across the street from where the black community started, and we needed to do this because many of her patients didn't own automobiles. They had to use public transit or walk, and so we needed to have an office that was near to where they lived, and because of this, although my parents were very strong believers in public education, the public schools that we would have gone to were dire because they would have been the schools that were in the inner city and in those days, the inner city schools, since since they largely served the black community, did not have the funding and resources that the schools in the suburbs had, so the one concession they made was that they decided that we really should go to a private school, but there were three private schools that you could attend in Wilmington, two of them were for the super elite white families that had huge amounts of money, and they had an attitude that my parents couldn't abide by, but the third was the one run by the Quakers, Wilmington Friends School, and so they felt that this would be the appropriate compromise because the Wilmington Friends School actually had, for example, black students and other lower income folks there, and so in fact, I ended up doing my entire growing up, I started in kindergarten and I went all the way through high school at Wilmington Friends School, and it was certainly very beneficial to my growing up to be able to be, first of all, in this school where you had everything from kindergarten students to high school students all in the same building and you had all these different people that you could look up to, and the other thing was that the Quakers had sort of a philosophy, although I'm not, I don't consider myself a Quaker, they had a philosophy that resonated with me, and for example, during the anti-war demonstrations, the anti-Vietnam War demonstrations, they organized buses that would take us to protests in Washington, D.C., and your parents had to sign off saying that you could go, and then they also had to check a box whether or not you were allowed to be in a situation that would allow you to be arrested or not. My parents wouldn't let me do the thing where they actually arrested you. They said, no, no, we're not letting you do that, but do that, but you can go and you can protest, but when they tell you you have to leave, you have to leave. So, the other thing that is kind of amusing is that Joe Biden, of course, started his political career as a senator from Delaware, and I actually worked on his campaign for his very first campaign for public office. So, I have a little tiny, I've actually met him and talked to him. I'm sure he would have no memory of me today because that was a very, very long time ago. Another one of the little stories that came out of Wilmington Friends School was that I, at a very early age, realized that I was attracted to men, and I was told, well, boys like other boys, and then you grow up and you start liking girls. But no one really said, well, when that transition was supposed to happen. And so, I got to about 16 before I realized, I just don't think that transition is going to happen for me. But at any rate, at one point, probably in maybe fifth grade or something, one of the other students made some kind of derogatory comment to me. I don't even quite remember what the comment was, but I don't think it was as strong as something like faggot, but it was something demeaning the fact that I appeared to be too interested in boys. And one of the teachers just came down on this person like a ton of bricks. It's like, it is not for you to lay these sorts of judgments on other people. And that was it. That was like the one negative comment I ever got. And the teacher just came down on this person like a ton of bricks, and that was it. After that, it was like, fine. So, that was in an environment. In the 1960s, things like gay rights were not, they were still in the future. We hadn't had Stonewall yet or any of those other things. And so, to have that attitude by teachers was just a thing that was important and was unlikely to have been seen in other school situations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=83.12,614.312"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_01:\u003c/strong\u003e Can you briefly describe your siblings?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=616.704,618.931"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_00:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. I was the oldest of three children. I have a brother that's two years younger than I am and a sister who is five years younger than I am. My brother ended up going and getting his PhD in English and became an English professor initially at the University of Maryland, Baltimore campus. He then started to become interested in moving up more into the administrative levels. And the people that were above him there were close enough to his age that there wasn't going to be a lot of turnover. So, he ended up moving to the University of Montana in Missoula where he became the dean of their honors college. The honors college, for the most part, didn't take their own professors. They mostly would take professors from other departments. So, the professors would be professors of these other departments, but they would teach honors classes. But, you know, he was quite happy there. But he then got an opportunity to, or he got invited to apply to start an honors college at the University of Missouri in Kansas City. And they were going to build a building and have staff and all of these things. And that was a considerable step up for him. And so, he chose to do that. So, then he moved to Kansas City, Missouri, and finished his career organizing and running that honors college. And then, just last year, he retired. My sister, meanwhile, started out. She got her undergraduate degree in biology and then went on and did a master's degree in computer science. And she initially started out actually teaching biology in high school in Nashville, Tennessee. But that, you know, she didn't find that all that rewarding. And so, she actually got an opportunity to work at a startup company that was developing drugs. Well, actually, no. Back up. She started, she got an opportunity to work on the human genome project at Stanford University. And there, she could use both of her skill sets because she understood the biology side of what they needed to do in order to sequence the genes. There was this huge amount of data coming in, and she understood the computer science side where she understood, essentially, how to structure a database to put that data in and be able to answer the kinds of questions that the biologists wanted to ask about it. I mean, it's fine, you have a big pile of data, but you need to be able to ask questions about it, and about it, and you have to have that data structured in such a way that you can retrieve based on what the question is. So, she ended up using both her computer science and her biology. And it was from that that that project, of course, wound up. But one of the people that she had worked with there had done a startup company doing drug development. And he brought her in to have the same sort of role at that company, where she would both organize the collection of data from the scientists and the storage and retrieval of that data. So, that became her sweet spot. And she loved startup companies, but when they would get to the point where they were sort of two levels of management, so more than about 150 people, that was it. She was done with it because there was too much hoofer on politics that she didn't like. So, about every five to seven years, she would jump ship and get to another one of these startups, where she could again have this role. So, she did that on at least three different occasions. Maybe it was four. And anyway, that sort of thing finished up for her about a year ago. And although she's a couple of years from being 65, official retirement age, she's decided to take some time off because she doesn't really want to start another seven years at this point. And it looks like it's going to stick. And she's now in Redwood City. So, she's just a 45-minute drive from here. So, I actually get to see her a fair amount. My brother and his wife did not have any children. My sister married but then divorced and ultimately just decided to have a child on her own. So, I have a niece who is now in college, Oberlin College in Ohio. And she's got this fascinating degree program. Oberlin, of course, is a liberal arts college. And one of Rosie's, her daughter's, interest is international politics. So, in particular, she's fluent in Mandarin. And one of the things that she considered being involved with is some kind of job working with China and things of that ill. The other thing that she was really interested in was robotics. And so, her specialty was controlling robots to walk up and down stairs. And so, she wasn't unclear exactly what she wanted to do. And so, to do. And so, Oberlin has this program they call the 3 plus 2 program. So, you start and you do three years of sort of liberal arts but includes a lot of science-related stuff. And then after three years, you get a decision. You either do one more year and just get your bachelor's degree in liberal arts. Or you can go to one of six schools that they have partnered with. And these are schools like Caltech and MIT and pretty serious technical schools. And do two years and then you come out with a master's or a bachelor's degree in science of whatever, in her case, mechanical engineering. And then you'll also finish up and get your bachelor's of liberal arts. And so, you know, you then spent five years but you have two bachelor's degrees. So, it will be interesting to see. She's coming up at the end of her third year. So, she's going to have to decide which way she's going to go. And when I last asked her, she still hadn't made up her mind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=620.321,1096.187"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_01:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you. So, let's go back to your education. So, what were your favorite subjects and what made you choose your undergrad degree in electrical engineering?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=1098.04,1114.636"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_00:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, math and science classes were clearly my strong suit in school and the ones that I enjoyed the most. And I had just a little bit of stuff with computers because there was nothing in my high school at that time that involved computers. But I had an opportunity to do some other stuff at the University of Delaware where I'd gotten a little bit of introduction to computers. And so, what I wanted to do was computer science. But at that time, Cornell did not have a computer science undergraduate degree. They had kind of one in as for advanced degrees but graduate degree. So, the only option that I had or the closest I could get to was electrical engineering and sort of computer hardware design specialization. So, that's what I did. Although, I did manage to take some of the graduate level classes in computer science. So, science. So, I got a little bit of that under my belt. But belt. But I was limited in how many of those courses that I would be able to take. Of take. Of course, they wanted me to stay on and do a graduate degree. But degree. But I ultimately chose to do that at Berkeley.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=1116.821,1200.036"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_01:\u003c/strong\u003e So, let's talk about your time at Berkeley. So, in 1976, you got your degree and moved to University of California at Berkeley. And there you received a master's degree in computer science in 1980 and a master's degree in business administration. And then also a doctoral degree in computer science in 1984. In 1984, yes. So, can you talk about your time at Berkeley and in particular the times when you were sharing an office with Bill Joy later? No. Who in 1982 was going to co-found Sun Microsystems.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=1201.425,1250.236"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_00:\u003c/strong\u003e So, when I graduated from Cornell, I then had to make a decision about graduate school. And school. And so, I ended up applying to University of California at Berkeley, University of Illinois in Champaign-Urbana, and MIT and Carnegie Mellon. And I did a tour where I went and visited each of these places. Today, schools are very organized around planning things and having people that will take you around, et cetera. But in those days, you were just on your own. So, I just sort of showed up and walked into buildings and tried to find people. And when I visited Berkeley, I ran into Bill Joy and he said, oh, well, we have this new PDP-11. And he sat me down and he said, and you can edit files and you can play chess. And so, I played chess for a while and that was about it. But, you know, I ended up, I think, having a meal with him. And that a meal with him. And that was about the extent that I interacted with people there. At the University of Illinois, they came the closest to really having something organized. They gave me a really in-depth tour and, you know, people to take me around and all that. So, that was sort of my neat one to go to. Carnegie Mellon, I basically could, you know, other than walking around the buildings and seeing stuff, I really didn't interact with anybody. And the folks at MIT, you know, just said we don't do any of that stuff. And so, I similarly just kind of walked around the building a little bit. In the end, neither MIT nor Carnegie Mellon offered me a position. And so, it was boiled down to the University of Illinois or Berkeley. And I was much more impressed with, you know, the interaction at the University of Illinois. Except that Berkeley said, well, we'll give you a first one-year fellowship, you know. And I was like, done, ding. So, that's how I ended up at Berkeley. And my interest, sort of the thing that I had spent the most time on at Cornell was programming languages. And in particular, I really liked dealing with the assembly language level of things. And of things. And you can't really do that as a degree, but compilers compile into that. And And so, you have to, you know, it still lets you get your fingers down in the low-level bits. So, I decided to do programming languages. And so, connected up with Professor Susan Graham, who was one of the programming language folks at Berkeley. And And it turned out that Bill Joy was also one of her students. And so, all of the professor's grad students got crammed into one office. And so, you know, there was this office with five desks or whatever it was. And each of us had a desk. And Bill had one and I had one. And there was one phone in the office. And, you know, Bill was one of these people that was, you know, very outgoing and very, you know. Someone once asked me to compare myself to Bill Joy. And I said, you know, there's really nothing I've done that I couldn't do. But he will do in a month what would take me a year. So, I mean, he just, he would pick up a problem. He'd say, here's where we are. Here's we are. Here's where we want to get to. This is the shortest path, boom, from here to there. And And it would just be done. And you'd end up with this program like what he did, the VI editor. He did the seashell. And you ended up with this code that you couldn't change a line. It would just dissolve in a puddle. Because, you know, it was just total hack. But it worked. So, a very interesting person to be around, constantly saying, oh, you should just try this or do that or whatever. The phone would ring. You would pick it up. You wouldn't even, like, answer it. You'd You'd just pick it up and hand it to Bill. Because, you know, 99% of the calls coming in were people that wanted to talk to Bill Joy about whatever it was that Bill was working on at the moment. So, it was a very interesting and dynamic environment to be working in. The other thing, though, was I had this fellowship, but it was only for the first year. And And it was a special thing that was, you know, I couldn't apply to get it again the next year. Because year. Because it was only for first-year students. So, I ended up getting connected up with the Hughes Aircraft Company. And they had these fellowships where you would work for them in the summertime. And then in the other nine months of the year, they essentially paid for you to go to school. And so, that's how I ended up working in Los Angeles for a number of years before eventually just being full-time students.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=1252.443,1572.577"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_01:\u003c/strong\u003e So, you moved to Berkeley. And then, you know, you had first – you were sharing your room with Bill Joy when you were, like, a graduate student. And how did you get involved in the Berkeley Software Distribution Project? What happened?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=1576.486,1605.407"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_00:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. So, Bill had written a number of things. He'd written the VI Editor. He'd written the Pascal Interpreter. And he'd written the C-Shell. And these were just things that you would put onto an existing UNIX system. So, So, at the time, we were running UNIX version 6, later using UNIX version 7 on PDP-11 computers. And these were just programs that you would add to the set of things that were already part of that. And so, that would have been about 1978. He put together what he called the Berkeley Software Distribution. And And it's kind of like a rock album. You know, the first album they put out is just the name of the album is the name of the group. And then, oh my goodness, they now have a second album. And so, what are they going to do, you know? And so, it was – originally, it was just BSD. And then, later, he had, you know, a new distribution he wanted to put together. Well, Well, what is he going to call this? So, So, the first one was just BSD. The next one was 2BSD. And then, after that, you know, the numbering became a little more clear. So, historically, we often call that first distribution 1BSD. But it wasn't actually called that. It was actually just called BSD. And in those days, you know, we didn't have the networking that we have today. And so, really, the way you distributed stuff was on magnetic tape. And so, he had – he would, you know, put a tape. If you wanted to get it, he'd mount a tape, write the stuff onto the tape, and then mail the tape to you. And so, all these phone calls that were coming in as people that wanted to order this. And he realized that, as a graduate student, he didn't have the money to keep buying all these tapes. So, he instituted some kind of fee, like $30 or something, so that, you know, he'd have the money to buy the tape and pay the postage to mail the thing off. All right. So, the first distribution that he did was just the three utilities that he had done. But then some others of us that were in his office and in the department started doing other things as well. And so, the second Berkeley distribution was the things that Bill had done, plus this other stuff that many of others of us had done. For example, Peter Kessler, one of the other Sue Graham graduate students and I, had written something called GPROF, the Graphical Profiler, which would essentially give you a detailed analysis of where your program was spending its time. And so, that was one of the things that ended up being added into this 2BSD distribution. And it's bizarre that that program was like the go-to thing for doing that for almost 30 years, before better things came along. And I remember my sister at some point writing to me and said, oh, yeah, we were trying to figure out why our database was running slow. And so, we were using GPROF to figure it out. And I looked at the manual page and it says that you wrote it. So, I it. So, I was like, yeah. It's like small world. Anyway, so, the second distribution, again, was just utilities that you would add on top of an existing distribution. But then, what ended up happening was that some of the research that was going on at Berkeley was a thing called Vaxima. So, it was a system for doing numerical analysis. And it was written in Lisp. And Lisp is one of these things where you start it up, and by the time you get to a prompt, you're already using half the memory on the machine. And And then, when you actually want to do something, it needs more. And so, it just was overwhelming, the PDP-11, because the PDP-11 was a 16-bit machine, and so, it could only handle up to 64 kilobytes. Then, you were out of address space. So, they had bought one of these brand-new 32-bit machines from Digital Equipment Corporation called the Vax. And And the Vax came with VMS, the operating system that DEC provided. But, of course, VMS was sort of an old-style, batch-ish kind of operating system, and people were used to Unix, and they wanted to be able to sit at a terminal and type stuff and compile things and do all that kind of interactive thing. And so, there was a move to bring Unix over to the Vax. And the initial port of that was done, actually, by the folks at Bell Labs, and it was called 32V. And it was just a raw, basic, take what ran on the PDP-11 and get it to run on the Vax. So, it on the Vax. So, it didn't use any of the paging hardware on the Vax or a lot of the capabilities that the Vax had. It just looked sort of like a PDP-11 with a bigger address space. So, the people that had paid for this, or the grant that had paid for this, was the people doing the numerical analysis stuff. And they needed the virtual memory. And so, this port of Unix didn't have it, but the VMS did. And so, they said, well, we'll run VMS. And Bill was like, oh, that's terrible, we can't possibly do that. And so, we need to get Unix that runs on the Vax to actually be able to use the paging hardware. And Bill's philosophy was always, why come up with a good idea when you can steal a better one? And it turned out that there was another graduate student that was working on a virtual memory system thesis or whatever, Ozop Babagalu, from Italy. And so, Bill and Ozop got together and said, let's take what you've got, and we're going to put it in here. And of course, there was only one Vax, and you need to keep rebooting it and testing it and so on. And the only period that that could happen was the Christmas break. So, the students all left about the middle of December, and then they all came back in about the middle of January. So, there was this four-week window where the machine could basically be used for development. And for whatever reason, I had decided to be around during that period, because it was one of the few times when there wasn't so much demand for the machine that you could actually get a fair amount of useful time on it. And so, during that time, you'd be sitting there, and it would come up with VMS, and you'd be trying to do stuff. And to do stuff. And then a message would come saying, going down to boot Unix and VM Unix. And so, then it would come up on VM Unix, and you'd be working away and working away, and suddenly it would all freeze. And And then about a minute later, the VMS prompt would come up. But it was more and more and more time that it was coming up on VM Unix, and less and less time that it was VMS. And VMS. And really, they weren't quite ready when the students all came back, but back, but they somehow persevered and got through that two-week break-in period. And after that, we never saw VMS again. It was just VM Unix that was running. So, the contribution that came out was, for the first time, a whole system. So, it was the operating system, and all the utilities, and all of the additions that Phil Joy had done. And now, Bill is still coding, and being a student, and by the way, doing these distributions, except that now, there's this huge demand for it. And so, at least 100 institutions wanted to get it. And so, the phone is ringing off the hook. Well, now, it's not just the stuff that Bill has written, but it's got all this Unix code in it as well, which, of course, is owned by AT\u0026T. And so, it wasn't open source in that sense. You had to have a license from AT\u0026T in order to be allowed to have Unix. And so, Bill's verification of this was, Oh, hello, you want it? Yes. You have a Unix license, right? Great. Okay, I'll send you the tape. Well, that didn't really hold muster with the university lawyers. And so, it was decided that they really needed to get somebody else who was going to deal with that. And so, the other thing that was happening at the same time was that DARPA was beginning to be interested in, well, the thing that they were pushing on was to build what would ultimately become the Internet. It was called the DARPAnet in those days. And they had all these researchers, and they all had different hardware, and different software, and trying to exchange stuff between each other was just painful and slow. And so, they wanted to pick a hardware base, they wanted to pick a software base, and then they wanted all of their programs to use that. So, they first of all decided that the VAX was the right machine because it was low enough cost that that they could afford to buy one for everybody. And then there was this initial drive that it should be, you know, it's going to be a VAX, and it's going to be the vendor-supported software, which is going to be VMS. And people were like, we want, you know, we want Unix-like thing. And so, there was a big debate, but ultimately it was decided that they would in fact use VSD Unix. And so, a grant came to Berkeley to essentially get the networking and ultimately to also then get the networking incorporated into that. And it also meant that then what became the CSRG got formed. In particular, a full-time administrator got hired, and her job was to actually verify that people had these licenses. You know, they had to send the copies, and she had to call up AT\u0026T and say, is this a valid license, and they'd say, yes, it is. So, and that meant then that Bill didn't have to do that anymore. It anymore. It also meant that he got his own office, so he was in a different office. He didn't have to share an office with these other students any longer. So, at any rate, that started getting underway, and there's the whole story about how that goes on, which perhaps we'll get to eventually. But my interaction with Bill at that point would have sort of fallen off a bit, but bit, but for the fact that my funding as a student was coming through my advisor. And, And, I mean, she was well-known. She was the editor of transactions on programming languages, and highly respected languages, and highly respected in the field. She had no difficulty in raising money, but she was a little bit forgetful about some of the things she needed to do on that. And so, as a graduate student, you get paid 49.5% time, because if they paid you 50% time, then they'd have to give you benefits. But if it's 49.5%, you benefits. But if it's 49.5%, then they don't. But then in the summertime, they let you ramp up to full-time for 89 days, because if it was 90 days, then they'd have to give you benefits. But benefits. But for 89 days, you get full, and then you go back to 49.5%. So, during your school year, your checking account is going down and down and down. And so, by June, you're on fumes. But you're going to have two weeks that are going to be half-time, and then and then two weeks that are going to be full-time. So, So, you get sort of three-quarter time pay. So, that first sort of chunk of money comes in. And so, end of the month comes, and instead of getting that, I get the first two weeks of half-time and nothing for the rest. And it's like, for the rest. And it's like, oh my God, they didn't know I was going to be here for the summer. So, I for the summer. So, I go running over to the administrators and say, oh, what's going on? And on? And they say, oh, well, your advisor hasn't given us the new numbers that we need. And we need. And so, I go back to my advisor, and she says, oh, gosh, I forgot about that. Well, you know, forgot about that. Well, you know, I'll get that sorted out, you know, in a month. So, meantime, I definitely needed some money. So, I went downstairs to Bill's office, and I said, so, Bill, our advisor, you know, I told his story. And so, basically, could you just, like, you know, put me on for the summer, you know, and you know, and give me something to do? And, you know, you and I know that I'm basically just going to be working on my research, but, you know, I'll do something. He says, well, I got this idea for a file system, and, you know, I sort of sketched it out and said, if you could just sort of, you know, put that together and, you know, maybe come up with a little prototype or something, that'd be great. And, of course, suckered me in, and I spent the whole summer working on this file system. And so, you know, end of summer comes, and I say, well, here it is. You know, and I had it running in simulation. I I said, well, why don't we just drop it into the operating system and see how it works? And, And, you know, there was some locking issues and a few other things, but it more or less came up, and it worked. And he said, oh, this is fantastic. This is like, you know, runs 10 times faster than the one that was there before. That's so great. Of course, you know, we need to release this, and except there's just a couple other things. We need a dump program, a restore program, the check program, you know, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. 18 months later, I finally had all that done, and that's part of the reason that it took me more than eight years to get my degree. In fact, the university pretty much doesn't want you there for more than seven years. They make it, you know, difficult. And the way they do it is they, you know, they say, well, you know, you've got too many credits on your, units on your transcript. But what you can do is you can file for a degree, and then the units that are needed for that degree gets sort of pulled out of the pool. And so then you can start collecting some more. So some more. So you may notice I have two master's degrees along with my PhD. And part of that was to be able to extend the amount of time that I was able to be there. Although the, I mean, the master's degree in computer science, that was the sole purpose for doing that was to get the units off. The one in business administration actually came about because for a graduate degree, for a PhD, Berkeley requires you to do stuff that's outside your area that you're studying. And historically, that was like foreign language or something. But a lot of people sort of, you know, they go and take some math classes or something. But I said, well, hey, you know, you want me to do something outside this, you know, I've always been interested in business stuff. So, but you had to take courses. And of course, I didn't have all the prerequisites that I needed for that. So I had to take all these sort of undergraduate economics classes and other things to be eligible to take the graduate classes in business. The other thing in business is you normally specialize in something. So when you normally you get an MBA, it's like an MBA in marketing or an MBA in finance or an MBA in whatever. And And I mean, I didn't want to do that. What I wanted was just sort of a general understanding of business. Well, it turned out that the dean of the business school was having some trouble dealing with the computers in the computer center that were being used by the business school. And so I ended up helping him figure out how to get those things working in an appropriate way, because the computer center was just running him around in circles in ways they shouldn't have done. And And I said, look, just go in and tell them this, this and this. And, you know, just say you have to do those three things. You You know, you're you're the one that providing the service. And these are the services the service. And these are the services I need from you. And he did that and suddenly he started getting what he needed. So I became his darling because I could, you know, essentially help him maneuver around things. He was a very famous person and very, very busy. And he, of course, had a secretary that would guard the door to make sure that, you know, nobody was going to waste this guy's time. And so he'd agreed to be my one of the people on my committee in particular because I needed somebody outside the school. So it was sort of this tit for tat. He would do that for me and I would do these other things for him. So I would come and I would need some like little piece of paperwork or something filled out and signed. And, you know, I needed like five minutes of his time. And so I would say to the secretary, look, I need five minutes of his time. And she said, look, the last time you were in there, you were in there for half an hour and you completely messed up his schedule for the whole day. So just don't do that. And I'm like, fine, fine. And so I went in, you know, and he immediately wanted to start talking about this other stuff. I'm like, I'm told that, you know, you have this incredible schedule and I have to get out. And nope, nothing would do. I was in there for 20 minutes. And I came out there were like three people in suits sitting in the waiting room and she gave me the look of death. But anyway, I continued interacting with him. And one of the benefits that came out of that was I said, look, you know, I don't want to specialize in one thing. I I want to, you know, I want to get a master's degree, but, you know, in a broad area. And he said, oh, well, what you want is not an MBA, but an MSBA, a Masters of Science in Business Administration. Because that way, that's for people going on to a PhD and it's the consolation prize if you don't finish. He said, but for that, you have to show competency in three areas like you would for any PhD. And so I was able to do finance, marketing, and entrepreneurship. And, you know, so if you give me a 10K report, I know exactly where to go look to find the skeletons in the closet. I couldn't write one, but I can do that. A marketing plan, I couldn't write one, but I can sure analyze and tell you which ones are crap and which ones are good. And entrepreneurship, of course, has been invaluable to me because I've dealt with probably 30 startup companies in my career. And that was the single most valuable thing I got out of that. So anyway, of that. So anyway, that's how I ended up getting a Masters of Science in Business Administration. And even though I don't do that for a living, for the most part, that was a very, very valuable little thing to pick up. OK, and then that pretty much answered your question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=1606.4,2816.012"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_01:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes. So you finished your PhD in December 1984, right? Yes. And then in January 1985, you took over the Berkeley Software Distribution Project. You were a research computer scientist at the Berkeley Computer System Research Group, RG, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=2817.2,2843.016"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_00:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=2843.603,2843.783"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_01:\u003c/strong\u003e So what do you think were your major contributions to the project?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=2845.02,2852.291"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_00:\u003c/strong\u003e So I'm going to start slightly before that transition happened. And that was, well, sort of the first big contribution I made was the Pascal compiler. And although Pascal, although important at that time, faded away fairly quickly. The other major contribution I made was the fast file system, which was that summer project that turned into a two year project. And that is still in use today. In fact, I've had up until very recently a consulting contract with Netflix because they use that for their content distribution. And certainly at their peak, they were pushing about a quarter of all the packets on the Internet worldwide. And those packets were being fed out of my file system that I had written 40 years ago. But they needed, you know, the usual tweaks that you need to keep it current with the current disk technology and so on. So that was certainly the single piece that I'm most well known for. I also wrote a paper that is still one of the core papers that gets cited in computer science classes about file system technology. It really was the basis and should have been my thesis. But the department at that time still believed that theses had to be theoretical and that, you know, just a practical thing like this wouldn't qualify. Ultimately, I mean, today, this sort of system based degrees are, in fact, much more common than the research ones. But at the time, that was not deemed suitable. So my actual thesis is having to do with register allocation and table driven code generators, which at the time was kind of pointless. Although it turned out now that we have machines with many more registers, it is actually had a revival. And And so some of the stuff that I did at that time is actually somewhat useful today. But I would say that the file system was certainly one of the very significant pieces of what I did. At any rate, I, of course, was still a student in 1982 and was still doing some stuff with Bill in the BSD stuff. And so he calls me into my office one day and he says, I'm just in the midst of starting up this new company. And we're going to build workstations and it's going to be based on commodity hardware, the Motorola 68000 series and commodity software, which is going to be Unix. And, you know, we're going to be great. We're to be great. We're going to take over the world. And I said, you know, Bill, you know, you're coming into a market where, you know, that's all that's all nice. But what people actually care about is the applications that they're running. And, you know, there's Apollo has this system where they, you know, they have a commodity or a proprietary workstation, proprietary operating system, but they run all the CAD CAM software and people want CAD CAM software. And, you know, that's a great idea that you have, but, you know, I don't think that, you know, I don't see that as, you know, really having what it takes to, you know, become big. I I said, yeah, but, you know, you'll be a single digit employee of Sun, you know, and you'll get all this stock. And And I'm like, well, look, we'll see how that goes. And, you know, I'm about a year from finishing my PhD. And I know that if I go off there, I won't finish it. I really do want to finish my PhD. So we'll just, I'll finish my degree and we'll see how your Sun microsystem is doing. And is doing. And maybe that'd be the right time for me to come. I said, well, all right, well, will you at least be a consultant? Because Because we need the Pascal compiler ported over and we need a little help with getting the Unix ported to the Motorola. I said, OK, fine. So I ended up getting a few thousand shares of Sun stock for being their very first consultant, which is just written out by Bill Joy and signed by him and Vinod Khosla, who was the CEO of this startup company. And so I tell people, you know, I may have this degree in business, but, you know, perhaps you shouldn't necessarily take my advice about these things. And, of course, Sun was wildly successful. And, you know, even though I only had the 2000 shares, by the time they went public, it was worth about a million dollars. So, you know, I didn't bat badly out of that. At any rate, I, you know, took me more like a year and a half to finish my degree. And by the time I finished my degree, you know, Sun was already way out there. And so with Bill gone, they had brought in this other person, Mike Carls, to sort of take the role of the technical lead there. But Mike was, I mean, his degree was in biology, I guess. And I mean, computing in biology. But he didn't really have a computer science background. And I really felt that it was important to have someone with a CS background around the group. So I ended up becoming essentially the academic in charge of the group. And Mike and I sort of co-shared that job. We also brought in Keith Bostick, who had a degree in English, and Keith Sklauer, who had a degree in music. So So I was the only one of the four core people at CSRG that had computer science as a background. But in those days, you know, there were a lot of, we'll just say self-taught people that, you know, that knew these things. And so, you know, we had that group, and the four of us more or less put together the BSDs that came out. But the real thing that made this possible, and it was really something that Bill had set up, and up, and that was bringing in stuff from other people. And although it wasn't open source at that point, everybody had to have Unix licenses. The Unix licenses initially had been like $99 for a university. And, you know, eventually rose to, you know, about $10,000 maybe for a university. But all the universities just basically had it, and they all had VAXs. And, you know, there was lots of sharing that was going on. And companies could get licenses for, at the time, about $40,000 or $50,000. And so, again, that was something that they could do. So could do. So we had a lot of people who were using these things in companies and in universities, and in universities, and a lot of sharing of the code going around. And once we got up on the network where you had the TCP IP networking, it was possible for people to log in and, you know, interact. And so, in fact, we ended up probably coordinating from about 400 people that were contributing. And the way it actually worked was we would have a designated person at each site. So site. So the University of Utah, for example, was a big contributor. And there was one or two people there that had accounts on our machine, so they could bring their stuff over and check it in. Source code control was also something that came about in around 1979 or 1980, which we started using at that point. And that allowed us to directly let people check things in. We could see who put it in, what they put in. And, in fact, Bill would do this thing where he would print out all the changes that had been made since the last distribution. We would literally go through line by line and look at all those changes. I mean, different of us would look at different parts, but that was how we did our quality control stuff to get distributions out the door. So, at any rate, ultimately, Mike and Keith Bostic left and went off to start VSDI, Berkeley Software Distribution, Inc. And so at that point, then I was the sole person in charge of, truly in charge of the thing, as opposed to just sort of co-doing it with these other folks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=2856.421,3416.416"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_01:\u003c/strong\u003e What year was this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=3417.461,3418.325"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_00:\u003c/strong\u003e That would have been after 4.2 and before the, or maybe we got as far as 4.3. I think we got as far as 4.3. So, I basically took over after that. So, did five more distributions after that or oversaw, directly oversaw five more distributions. The big thing was moving from this thing where you had to have an AT\u0026T source license to one which you did not. And that turned out to be more difficult than one might expect. The issue was we had written ourselves TCP IP. The only networking that came from Bell Labs was something called UUCP, Unix to Unix copy, which was a dial-up thing. And so you would dial up, you'd batch stuff together and then you'd dial up and push it across to the other side and then it would be distributed on the other side. So, this concept of direct networking TCP IP was entirely stuff that had been done at Berkeley or by the contributors to Berkeley, like BBNN. And so, there were a number of companies that wanted to build TCP IP for the IBM PC. And the IBM PC, of course, that was proprietary Microsoft software. But what they wanted was a card that you could plug into the side that would just look like a port to Windows, but would run the whole TCP IP networking on that board. And so, it would do all the chit-chat that was needed. And for that, they needed the TCP IP software to put on their board. And they wanted to get that from Berkeley. By this time, AT\u0026T had raised the price of getting a Swiss license to a quarter million dollars. And that was for one machine. So, if you had like two machines, it was a half a million dollars, etc. So, and these little companies that just wanted to build boards didn't have that kind of money. And so, they came to us and said, well, you know, you wrote TCP IP. Can't you release that to us as, you know, under just a Berkeley license and not an AT\u0026T license? And so, we went through and we picked out all of that networking software. So, software. So, there was the TCP IP code itself and the device drivers for it and the utilities like Telnet and SMTP, the electronic mail, and all of those things. So, we packaged that together and we called it the Networking Release 1. And we went to the Berkeley lawyers and said, you know, we want to do this as a release from Berkeley. And we want to, you know, have people be able to freely give it away and do whatever they want with it. And the lawyers came back with this like 20-page thing that we were going to have to put at the top of every single file. And And we're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You do not understand. We're not doing this. So, we finally got it distilled down to what is called the BSD license, which is sort of half a page, the well-known, you know, open source document. And so, we went and we put that into the top. And then, we would sell these networking one tapes for $1,000. And we figured we'd sell like three, you know. UUNet would buy one and would put it up and everyone would just download it from them. But it turned out that all these little companies were more than happy to spend $1,000 to get a piece of paper from the university that said, this is open source software and you can do whatever you want with it. So, we sold about 1,000 of those tapes. So, you know, that provided us like a million dollars just right off the top that we could then continue doing stuff with. So, the upshot of that was that Keith Bostic was like, well, you know, this has been so successful. But now, people want, you know, more. You know, they want the rest of all the stuff that we've done. And we're like, you know, Keith, first of all, you know, there's the utilities and, you know, we're not clear which of the, you know, LS and other things like that. You know, they came from AT\u0026T. So, you know, we can't really release those. So, you those. So, you know, and there's all the stuff in the C library that came from the original Unix and blah, blah, blah. So, you know, if you can figure out some way of dealing with that, you know, then somehow we'll see what we can do with the kernel. And knowing full well that he wasn't going to be able to do it. So, that would be the end of that. wasn't going to be able to do it. So, that would be the end of that. But he, we started going to these USENIC conferences. Well, we had been going to them for a long time. And a long time. And there was always these things called bird of feather, which was where you would just have some topic that you would talk about. So, we would always do a bird of a feather on what was going on at Berkeley with Berkeley Unix. And so, we get up at this and Keith gets up and he puts up a slide that's a list of, you know, 100 some utilities and libraries and says, you know, we are trying to get, you know, a complete free distribution. We need all of these programs rewritten. And, you know, so, you know, I'm inviting all of you and take to go out and do these and send them to us, you know, and, you know, we'll give you credit for having written them and blah, blah, blah. And, you know, so some of the easy things like LS is not a hard program to write. So, you know, someone writes that and someone writes some of the other easy ones. But then at some point, things like the TROC comes in, you know, someone's rewritten this entire text processing system, which is huge and complex. And people start sending in some of the more significant pieces of the libraries. And, And, you know, at some point, Keith comes in and said, well, I've got about 80% of this stuff done. How's that kernel going, guys? I look at Mike and Mike looks at me and we're like, how are we going to deal with this? Because, of course, you know, there's the way you write code is you grab snippets of things from one place and drop them in another place. And And so, you know, there's just this whole mishmash of stuff. And you can't just sort of rewrite the kernel from scratch. So Keith finally comes up with this idea of going through and building a database where each line of code in our kernel is an element that you can look up. And then going and getting the original Unix from which we had started and doing the same thing with that and then doing matches. And And any place you get a run of four more lines of code, you sort of look at it and see. And sure enough, you know, you can see, oh, they cut this and put it over there. And a lot of these things were just stupid stuff. Like you would do a link of a look through a table. And so we would just change it to, you know, be a linked list instead of an array or something like that. Enough to change it so that it was different. The code was different. And so we go through. And before long, we're down to the point where there's only about six files left that have any of the original code left in it. And it's really only going to be a few month project to get those last six rewritten. But we decide, you know, that would be kind of pulling the chain of AT\u0026T a little bit too much. So if we release something and say, well, it's not a complete kernel. There's some parts that are missing because they were proprietary. Then they won't mind and they will just let it go. So we put together. And then we don't want to have the lawyers go through too much more hoo-for-rah. And so we just say, well, we're just going to present this to them as an update to the networking tape. So this is going to be networking release two tape. But they are like, whoa, how much has changed? It's like, oh, well, it's got about 2,000% more lines of code in it than the previous one did. And they're like, well, where did all this code come from? So we sort of fess up to what we'd done. And so they insisted on having us bring in an outside expert. They designated him. And so this person came in and did an audit of all of our changes. And it did, in fact, find some things we'd missed. But once we got a call from this auditor, the university says, OK, fine, go ahead, do it. And so out goes networking release two, which is pretty much the whole system with this same license that says you can do what you want with it. And sure enough, another thousand people pay the thousand dollars to get this piece of paper that says it's OK. One of which, of course, is Berkeley Software Design, Inc., because they can now start releasing a Unix system. And unfortunately, they were a little bit aggressive in some of their marketing. So they got their phone number was 1-800-ITS-UNIX. And they ran these ads saying, you know, all the same features as the System 5 release, whatever, at 99% off on the price. So instead of being half a million dollars, it's, I don't know, $20,000 or whatever the heck it was. So anyway, AT\u0026T saw this and they were like, ah! And so the upshot is that they sued BSDI and said, you know, you're releasing our proprietary stuff. And so here you have a little startup of, you know, eight or 10 people versus, you know, the AT\u0026T monolith of lawyers. But they, you know, they had this piece of paper that said, hey, you know, this is, you know, free and available software. And all we've done is add these six files, you know. So they go into the courtroom and they say, you know, all we've done. This is free. It says so right here. You know, if you don't like it, talk to the University of California. We added these six files. Which of these six files do you have a problem with? Well, they a problem with? Well, they didn't have any problem because these had been written from scratch. So scratch. So the judge basically told AT\u0026T, you know, you have no standing. You know, you have no complaint on this. And, you know, they've got this document. So I'm going this document. So I'm going to throw the case out. And so AT\u0026T went, oh! So they sued the University of California. Well, now we have, you know, immovable object versus large movable object. And so, of course, the university immediately stopped the distribution of NET2. But, I mean, it's out there. So it didn't really stop much of anything. But then the university, you know, comes around and it's like, you know, what's going on here? And I said, well, we told you, you know, remember, we did this review and blah, blah, blah. And they're like, oh, yeah, right. The university lawyers themselves really deal with writing contracts. They don't deal with resolving issues. That's a different sort of area of law. And so they ended up having to hire this other group, this other law firm, to come in and actually do this, this piece of it, contesting with AT\u0026T. And they, you know, the university doesn't want to, there was no money in it for them. And so, you know, they weren't really going to, that eager to spend a lot of money to try and deal with it. But they figured, all right, well, we'll, you know, at least get the framework of it, you know, because we're saying like, look, you know, this is so important for the world and blah, blah, blah, you know, like what you would say. And so anyway, we're in this, the way these things work is you have depositions where, you know, the facts get gathered before you go to trial. And so normally you would hire an expert. But of course, the university doesn't have the money to pay the $500 an hour that experts get. And so I got to be the expert about this stuff because I was already an employee. So So they were just paying my salary. And of course, lawyers never want to use an expert that hasn't been an expert before because, well, you know, they don't know how well this person is going to do. It turns out, actually, there's sort of the three most important things to be an expert. The first one is that you have a Ph.D. because if you have a Ph.D., you must know what you're talking about. Don't laugh to court. So check. I have that. The second one is that you have to be really good at public speaking and not being flustered. And, you know, I mean, at this point, I've had about 10,000 students in my career. But even at that point, I'd had quite a few that I'd worked with. And, you I'd worked with. And, you know, graduate students are some of the toughest people you're ever going to have because they're trying to prove that they know more than you do about something. And so I, you know, a lawyer doesn't stand a chance compared to a graduate Ph.D. student trying to argue with me about this technology. And then third is what you actually the facts that you know. But there you have a whole set of people that are working with you to, you know, gather the information. And you just want to say, I need this and someone will go find it for you. I often describe being an expert. It's kind of like being the newscaster, you know, and the newscaster is just, you know, reading off a teleprompter of, you know, some news story that's been put together for them. And it's not quite that easy. But the point is that, you know, there's a lot of infrastructure around you to help. So deposition. And these days, depositions are really tightly scripted. And but in those days, it could just go on for more or less indefinite period of time. And so this one, I think it went on for three days, eight hours a day for three days. And they had AT\u0026T had hired this New York lawyer who was like one of the top 10 people for taking depositions. I mean, depositions. I mean, he was just one of these people that could just absolutely drill down, you know, alternately, like trying to be your best friend and sort of get your confidence. And And then suddenly turning on you and stabbing you. And, you know, just it was an interesting experience. The lawyer that was prepping me for it said, think of it as like a proctate exam from Captain Hook. Anyway, so we get in there. And the thing about a deposition is they ask you a question. And then your lawyer can basically say, well, that's not a reasonable question. It's not phrased properly or it's, you know, vague or, you know, whatever. And so then there's a debate that goes between them as to the relevance of the question. But then after that, you have to answer it because the judge will ultimately decide whether the question could have been asked. And And if the judge decides it couldn't have been asked, then they can't use it. But if he decides it can, you don't know that because the judge isn't there. So the big debate happens and then you answer the question. On my case, I had not one but two lawyers. So on one side of me is sitting the lawyer for BSDI. And on the other side is sitting the lawyer for the University of California at Berkeley. And so this guy's been, you know, going back and forth with me and finally asked a question. And the BSDI lawyer, you know, blah, blah, blah. And they argue about it and arguing about it. Finally, you know, he goes, you know, all right, now you have to answer the question. And I, you know, one of the little tricks you play is say, well, I don't really remember the question. And what they should do is ask it to be read back. But back. But they didn't. He didn't. He just asked it again in a different way. And the other lawyer, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know. And, you know, they go on. And, you know, then some agreement that they come to and the BSDI lawyer jumps in on that and doesn't like that. And this guy who's like this top interrogator loses his cool. And he says, ladies, let him answer the question. Well, I can tell you that the BSD or the Berkeley lawyer did not like being referred to as a lady. I just saw this going. And I knew at that point the university was going to fight this to the end. And they did. So at any rate, what ends up happening is that AT\u0026T is supposed to say, well, you know, you have to say what it is that you think that we're infringing on. You know, they would just say, well, it's in there. You know, they wouldn't say what it was. And eventually the ruling from the judge came down and said, look, if you don't say what you think is the conflicting code, then you don't have a case. So, you know, you say what it is. And so they eventually put it out. And what they put out is that it's the TCP IP code. And what had happened, it turned out, was that some years earlier they had taken the TCP IP code from Berkeley Unix and put it into System 5, which they were allowed to do. I mean, that's, you know, open source works that way. But the one thing they were not allowed to do was remove the copyright notices. And they had. And so what had happened was that they, the people that had done that were gone. And so the people that were there compared their TCP IP code with ours and said, oh, well, they've copied our TCP IP code, not realizing how it had gotten it. And as soon as we figured, oh, ding, you know, what they had done was the one thing they weren't allowed to do by the copyright, which is remove the copyright. And so the University of California runs out and files a counterclaim in the California courts saying, you know, they have violated our copyright. We want them to recall all of their distributions and put the appropriate notices in there. We want them to recall all of their printed documentation and release them with the appropriate credits. We want an ad in The Wall Street Journal and The New York Times and The Washington Post apologizing for this grievous, you know, lack of whatever that they've done. And boom, that was it. Settlement started. And in the end, we agreed to, well, there wasn't really nothing that we needed to remove. But the lawyers, you know, at some point take me out of the room and say, look, just find three files and just say, you know, we'll take those out. You know, just make them happy. And so there was this stuff we had that was make it compatible with System 5. And so we removed those three things because I'd never liked those stupid things anyway. And so then we re-released with these changes made. And And then we also had to say, all right, we agree that anyone that was using Net2 can't use it anymore, but they can replace it with this. And the thought was that there had been by that time there were a number of distributions out there like FreeBSD and OpenBSD and NetBSD. And so they figured, well, you know, that's going to cost them, you know, a year where they aren't going to be able to do anything. But in fact, they managed to turn that around in a couple of months. And it was actually beneficial to us because we'd done more development over another three years. So all that development we'd done over the three years, you know, got sort of pushed out as well. So I wasn't entirely sorry that they were required to do that. But that's the story of how we got to the open source.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=3420.801,4682.654"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_01:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. So what year are we now? Like when everything is settled up with AT\u0026T?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=4687.443,4696.416"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_00:\u003c/strong\u003e Where are we at this point, you say?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=4700.548,4701.872"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_01:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. What year? What year?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=4702.642,4703.706"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_00:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, that would have been 1992, I think, or late 92 or early 93. Okay. So what happens in your life that then you are involved in the FreeBSD project, right? Yes. So the story here, first of all, Linux had just started in 1990. In fact, I heard the very first talk, I believe, that Linus ever gave about Linux. And at that time, of course, we were embroiled in the lawsuit. And I said to him, look, you know, why start a new operating system when we have this that, you know, you could just work from? And he said, well, I'm not convinced that you're going to win the lawsuit. And I don't want to put a whole lot of time into something only to have it, you know, thrown in the trash can because of the lawsuit outcome. And so if that lawsuit hadn't been happening, I suspect that Linus Torvalds would be involved with BSD and Linux would. BSD would have the position that Linux has today. But because of that roughly four year head start that they got, they, you know, they got the mind share. But at any rate, when we did the Net2 release, the first one, which had the six missing files, a person named Bill Jolitz essentially wrote those six files and released something called BSD 386. And so he put that out. And out. And there were a lot of people that were very interested in that and started downloading it. And so they start, of course, anything like that, you have bugs in it. And so they started having patches. And so they started submitting the patches back to Bill Jolitz. But Bill Jolitz was one of these people that, you know, he was going to do another release, but it had to be perfect. And so it just kept getting delayed and delayed and delayed. And And his patch sets just kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger. And finally, people sort of lost patience with waiting for Bill to do something. And so two groups sprang out. There were sort of, in this group of people that were doing the patch sets, there were the people that felt they wanted to follow the so-called BSD philosophy. And that was supporting multiple different machine architectures. And so they wanted to push that multi-architecture side. And then there were the people that said, look, we want to build up a user base that aren't just computer programmers. And And so we want to focus on the IBM PC architecture. And so the Intel, at that time, 386 processor. And we want to package up CDs that you can just put into your drive and boot right off the CD so you can try it out. You it out. You don't even have to put it on your disk. You your disk. You can just run it straight off of the CD. And then if you decide you like it, you can then instruct it to copy it to your disk and make it a permanent part of your system. And of your system. And we want it to be as easy as possible for people that are not savvy on how you write software and compile software and do all these other things. And they were sort of irreconcilable differences. So the people that wanted to do the BSD philosophy became NetBSD. And then the people that wanted to do the wide distribution were FreeBSD. And I didn't want to take sides. It's It's like, go out, be productive. I I didn't want it. So when I would do things, I would just send it to NetBSD and to FreeBSD. And so they sort of developed and I just kind of stood back for about two years to see sort of where things were going. And eventually I saw that FreeBSD people were getting a lot more usage. And my interest had always been that the software be used as widely as possible. So I decided to align myself with, you know, make that sort of my home base. I still interact with the NetBSD folks. And NetBSD eventually split into two groups, OpenBSD and NetBSD, because of differences among them as to what was important. OpenBSD wanted to focus on security and NetBSD wanted to continue this sort of wide open set of architectures. And they wanted to run in from everything from your microwave oven to your Cray XMP processor. At their high point, I think they supported about 80 different architectures. And FreeBSD, you know, initially was just the Intel architecture, plain and simple. And they did that for quite a while. But quite a while. But it eventually became evident that there were, in fact, some other architectures that were of interest. And so they took the framework that NetBSD had developed for supporting multiple architectures and brought that into FreeBSD. And they didn't bring all the architectures, but they brought, you know, there's probably four or five now that supported in FreeBSD. So there's still, even today, a flow of code back in between the various BSD projects. It's sort of a friendly rivalry, I would say. But as I say, I had to sort of pick one that I was going to focus my attention on and I chose FreeBSD to be that one. So I think I started committing into FreeBSD somewhere in the mid 90s, 95 or 96, somewhere around there. And then, you know, as I say, I've been sort of involved with them ongoing since then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=4705.38,5090.036"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_01:\u003c/strong\u003e So what do you think are your major contributions to FreeBSD?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=5091.563,5096.412"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_00:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm going to actually back up and start because some of the major things I did while I was still at Berkeley. The file system, of course, was the first one. The next piece was that the port that Bill did of Ozop's VM system into Bill's style was very tied to the VAX architecture. And so if you wanted to run that VM system on any other architecture than the VAX architecture, you essentially had to write a shim layer that converted from the VAX vagaries of VM to whatever the bits and bytes were that you needed for the VM system that you were porting to. And to. And also the original one really didn't deal with data sharing between mappings of memory. And so it really was a need to redo the VM system. And so this task fell to me. This was, it would have been in about the mid 80s. And there were sort of two alternatives. One was from CMU. They had done a system called Mock, which was a microkernel. And they had done a complete VM system for that microkernel. And And the other option was that when Sun started up, they too needed to get away from the very VAX specific VM system. And so they rewrote the VM system that again was generalized to work with multiple architectures. And so the Sun one had been written commercially. It had been put through the fire of commercial distribution and bug fixing and so on. And so it was extremely solid versus the Carnegie Mellon one, which was written by graduate students. They were testing out a lot of VM ideas. So there were a lot of sort of dead end code in there. Things that while academically were interesting, were really not all that useful for a production system. And it didn't have the production testing that would necessarily be needed. So obviously my first goal was to get the Sun code. We had, BSD or Berkeley had worked closely with Sun. I Sun. I mean, obviously I knew Bill and so we had a good relationship. And And the other people that came to Sun were all people that we had worked with previously at Berkeley. So there was a lot of code sharing that went on between Sun and Berkeley. Bug Berkeley. Bug fixes that we'd get, we'd send to them and vice versa with the agreement of the folks at Sun. So when it came time for the VM, I said, well, I'd love to incorporate the Sun's VM and replace ours. With the Sun VM. replace With the Sun VM. And, you know, that'll be good because, you know, we'll be able to continue fixing bugs for each other. And other. And that's, you know, that's the whole open source thing, even though they weren't open source. And they And they agreed. And so we went to their manager and from their manager, it went blah, blah, blah, all the way up to eventually Scott McNeely. He He was the CEO. And somewhat to our pleasant surprise, Scott McNeely said, well, yeah, that actually does seem like a good idea. But we need to get our lawyers, the Sun lawyers to, you know, write a thing, you know, to make sure that it's all done properly. And so it was sent off to the Sun lawyers and the Sun lawyers came back to Scott and said, you know, you could be sued by your stockholders for giving away company assets. And we don't really recommend that you do this. And so they said, came back and said, well, you know, our lawyers say we can't do this. This is long before open say we can't do this. This is long before open Solaris. You know, I mean, they eventually, you know, came around to that idea. But open source was still not a well-founded idea in the commercial world at that time. So the only option I had was the mock code, the CMU code. And so I collaborated with some folks at the University of Utah who, in fact, did most of the work of getting the port done and then brought that into BSD and, you know, filed off the rough edges and made that operational, which is the thing that then allowed it to work well on the 386 and the other processors. And in fact, it was not until David Greenman and some other folks at FreeBSD actually went in and ripped out a lot of the dead code and useless code and other bits and really cleaned up and tuned up the mock code before it became really sort of production. I mean, of production. I mean, it was production ready, but it wasn't very efficient and they really got it to sing. So I view the VM system as a major contribution, despite the fact that it was primarily done by other people. But that's what being a manager is all about. Right. And it's like you coordinate, you're the conductor. Then Then another piece that I really view as something that was pretty important was remote file systems. So remote file systems, again, was a thing that there was a huge history of development and lots of different ones came out. But the one that sort of shook down and was long term successful was NFS, which again was a thing that Sun developed. And they sold that to, you know, any of their customers that wanted, you know, their hardware customers that wanted to be able to ship it. And so, again, we went to them and said, well, you know, can we get it? It's like, well, if we give it away to you, then we can't sell it to these other people. So we can't do that. But But we'll still let you come to this thing they called Connectathon, where everybody that had an NFS implementation would get together and make sure that they all interoperated with each other. Which with each other. Which was phenomenally important because at the high point, there were probably 30 different implementations out there. And so having them all work together was important. And And IBM was one of the ones that had one. And ones that had one. And there's in the typical or sorry, Microsoft had one. And one. And in their typical way was just like, well, you know, we do NFS the way we want to do it. And so it didn't interoperate well, but there would be this big grid, you know, and it'd be like, you know, who, you know, everybody would show that they could both serve and receive from. And so there was a big chart with little X's where everyone had passed the test. And it was this kind of diagonal line that was Microsoft where, you know, that nobody else could pass either reading or writing to them. And so they eventually got the message and changed their implementation to work with everybody else, which was good. Anyway, it required structurally changing the operating system to add a lawyer, which allowed you to sort of switch off to different file systems. Or NFS or, you know, many others that eventually came about. And so I did that. And again, with NFS, Rick Macklin did most of the work of actually writing NFS. But I coordinated with getting him getting that in there and getting us down to the Connectathon and making sure that we interoperated and so on and so forth. So I sort of think of myself as, you know, being the person that takes credit for that. But, you know, again, with a lot of other people doing most of the work. So sort of the three big pieces that came for me out of, well, four big pieces. One was the actual file system, the fast file system, the VM system, the switch to allow multiple file systems and NFS and driving getting it open sourced. So that's that's those are the big pieces there. Now, moving to FreeBSD. A lot of that at that point. Well, I was doing this thing called soft updates, which was a way to speed up. To reduce the amount of synchronous writing that you had to do the disks and especially with the old spinning rust disks, that was a big deal. It essentially gave you about 10x the throughput in your file system that you would otherwise have for a certain workload. So I was working on a certain workload. So I was working on that. And that was one of the big things that I did in conjunction with FreeBSD. So that that's kind of the other big piece of technology. There were a lot of little pieces of technology. I mean, I mean, there was something stupid like what seems stupid at the time. But stupid at the time. But we had all these link lists, which is just a data structure that you use all over the place. And they were all over the place. And they were all hand coded. And so anytime you needed to do it, you had to find that four lines of code over there and bring it here and change the names of things to make it work. And it work. And so I said, well, this is crazy. And And I wrote this thing called the Q macros, Q dot H. And it's just like one lines that you drop in instead of having to copy stuff around. And that prototype, which was actually done in the BSD days, you know, now just absolutely pervades. And in fact, it was adopted by Linux because they needed the same thing. And And they actually just took that from us. They have the copyright in there, but it's kind of hidden. They put the GPL on top of it first. But But at any rate, little things like that seemed insignificant at the time, but actually have proven to be very widely used these days. Other than that, really, my goal with FreeBSD was that I wanted BSD to continue after me. And so I wanted to set up a structure. If you look, well, let me back up. If you look at most open source projects, they come about because you have somebody who has an idea and becomes the leader of that project. And, you know, they champion it going forward. And when they get bored with it and leave, usually it just collapses at that point. And so, you know, I mean, if you look at Linux, I mean, that's been Linus. And, And, you know, it's not quite clear what happens when Linus is no longer either doing it or has passed away. I mean, at this point, you know, it'll just be taken over by probably the big corporations. But, you know, in the case of BSD, I didn't. I had been the grand omnipotent high stomper for a decade, and I was tired of doing that. You know, that. You know, I mean, I couldn't. If I went on vacation and something broke, you know, bad things would happen. So I couldn't really leave. And also, it's just it's a huge amount of work. So I wanted to set up some kind of a structure where I wasn't going to be the person in charge, which is part of the reason that I kind of stepped aside and let the groups organize themselves. But in the case of FreeBSD, a lot of what I've done really is dealing with the social structure as opposed to just the code base. So when FreeBSD, they created this concept of a core group, which is a set of people that are sort of overall in charge. And And they were self-appointed for life. So you had this set of people. And the problem this set of people. And the problem you have with any open source project is that people sort of lose interest in. And so you end up having deadwood. You deadwood. You have to have some way of, you know, moving aside the deadwood so that people that are going to actually do something can get in there and do it. And so what we decided to do was to make the core group instead of just, you know, appointed for life is they would be elected. And And so there's committers where people that are allowed to essentially change the code base. And there's 300 code base. And there's 300 and some of them. And so the core then will be elected from the committers. So any committer that wants to run for core can, every two years, they just raise their hands and say, I want to run. And so you get some set of people that want to run. And then to run. And then the committers each get to vote for the nine people they want to be on core. And the top nine vote getters become the next core. So the entire core can change over. Typically doesn't, thankfully. But the point is that unlike the Linux project, it can rise up to a certain level. And then, you know, it's pretty hard to become one of Linus's lieutenants and you can't become Linus. So the change over here is that there have been probably, I'd say, it's argument of four or five sort of change of the top leadership. So someone sort of gets up there and sort of a couple of people sort of do stuff, you know, and then they sort of fade away and a new set of leaders comes into play. And, you know, people can just rise through the organization and become those leaders. And that has worked very well. And so I view that as kind of an accomplishment, even though it's, you know, technically it's not an accomplishment. But it's an accomplishment of my goal of BSD continuing. You know, now that I'm nearly 70, you know, I just don't have quite the capability of doing what I could do when I was in my 30s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=5100.824,5971.674"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_01:\u003c/strong\u003e Another thing you're famous for is the BSD daemon that is used to identify BSD and it's copyrighted by you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=5973.682,5983.177"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_00:\u003c/strong\u003e So I guess one of the other things that I'm proud of as an accomplishment is actually the text set of textbooks we've had about BSD. We first wanted to write a textbook in the early 80s. And so we sort of got together a proposal for a book. This would have at the time would have been Sam Loeffler, who was one of the people at CSRG and myself and Mike Carls. And And so we put together a proposal and went to Addison Wesley. And Addison Wesley said, well, you know, we need to get AT\u0026T's agreement that you can do this, you know, that you're not going to be giving away their trade secrets. And so we went to AT\u0026T and AT\u0026T said, well, go write the book and then we'll read it and let you know if we have any problems with it. Like, yeah, right. So that got kind of shelved. But then in 1986, I'm spacing on the name of the guy that wrote the book, but a book was written about the internals of System 5. And so at that point, we went to our publisher and said, well, look, you know, they have published this book and it's in more detail than we plan to be in. And so, you know, we feel that it would be safe to publish it. And Brad Addison Wesley said, yeah, fine. So we wrote that, started writing that book in 86, took us a couple of years. And so by 1988, we are ready to publish the design and implementation of the free BSD, of the UNIC, of the design and implementation of the BSD operating system. And so we need, of course, a cover for the book. And of course, Addison Wesley is happy to come up with some textbooky looking cover. But Sam Loeffler, who was the lead author on that book, said, well, no, you know, we need something more distinctive than that. So he had actually left the CSRG at that point and was working for George Lucas in what was at the time called Lucasfilm. And Lucasfilm. And this was, you know, the Star Wars that started coming out. And all of those movies were made with models and blue screening and so on. But it was clear that that computer graphics was going to be able to at least start augmenting things like the star backgrounds and things like that. And, And, of course, as we know today, you know, completely do the entire effect. But so he was working in the Lucasfilm computer division designing these various bits and pieces that they were going to that they used in the Star Wars movies. And John Lasseter was a lead animator for Walt Disney. And Disney. And so this is in the days, you know, where all of the cartoons are hand drawn. And drawn. And there are sort of three levels of hierarchy in the cartoon business. So you have the lead animator and he draws a detailed picture about one second apart. And apart. And then the tier below him are called the in-betweeners. And so they create the other 23 frames that get from here to here. And then the lowest level people are the ones that fill in the colors of everything and draw the tail on Mickey Mouse. So, you on Mickey Mouse. So, you know, their creativity is making the tail go or something like that. At any rate, the lead animators, of course, are the ones that have the most artistic control and the, you know, etc. And much like university professors, they at least in those days got a sabbatical. So every a sabbatical. So every I don't know what it was, six years or so, they would get six months off to refresh themselves. And John Lasseter was very interested in bringing more computer technology to bear because everything was totally done by hand at that point. And point. And so he did his sabbatical for six months at Lucasfilm where he could work with these people that were busily, you know, doing this animations for movie stuff. And in particular, one of the things that Lucasfilm was trying to do was an animator's workstation. So they wanted to have something where an animator like, say, John would be able to, you know, draw these frames for them. And, you know, they could autofill colors because, you know, we can figure out where the lines are and the blue needs to go out to the edge of the line, that kind of thing. And also, in theory, could do some of the in-betweening. And so they had all these people at Lucasfilm that were very good with computers, but they had no idea at all what an animator ought to do, would need, you know, what kind of, what interface do they actually want? And so Lasseter coming to Lucasfilm, he helped them. He said, he helped them. He said, you know, this is what I want. No, No, no, not like that. I that. I don't want to have to take my mouse and do this, you know, whatever. And so he was working with them to design this workstation, animated workstation. So Sam Leffler said, well, here, you know, we've got this guy that's really good at drawing things. Could you draw us a picture of a demon to go on the front cover of our textbook? And so John just literally pulled a piece of cardboard out of the trash can, some chalk off the chalkboard, and in the space of a few minutes, drew this thing up. In up. In fact, well, I actually have that frame sitting in my office over here and signed by him. And so I went to, you know, we went back to Edison and said, well, you know, we want this on our front cover. And they on our front cover. And they look at it and they go, you must be kidding. You know, be kidding. You know, it looks like a cartoon. It's like, well, looks like a cartoon. It's like, well, yeah, because it is a cartoon. But, you know, and we, none of us had ever written a textbook before, you know. So how are these people that know nothing about textbooks, you know, but whatever. They finally agreed to do it. But when they put it on the cover, they did not include John Lasseter's name. So if you look on that version of the textbook, you see just the thing. And he's standing there with his trident and there's the glowing orb that's above it. And we wanted to write Unix on there, but AT\u0026T wouldn't allow that. So there's wouldn't allow that. So there's just a glowing orb in the particular picture. But the real thing was that I had to have the right, we had to have the rights to use it. And so what I actually did was I had John sign a letter saying this was a work for hire. And so I paid him a thousand dollars. And so dollars. And so that's how I got this document saying that, you know, I had the ownership, which then allowed me to do a copyright filing with me as the copyright holder so that holder so that I could control how it got used. So that's how that came about. control how it got used. So that's how that came about. And then when we did the second textbook, I wanted to again have, you know, something having to do with the demon. And the demon. And by this time, John Lasseter had gone over to Pixar. Lucasfilm, when the third over to Pixar. Lucasfilm, when the third of the three Star Wars movies was done, Lucas suddenly had a lot less money coming in. And so he had to pare back a lot of the stuff that he had built up around those movies. So one of the those movies. So one of the things he did is he wanted to get rid of Lucasfilm. I mean, keep of Lucasfilm. I mean, keep the technology they developed, but, you know, he didn't want to continue to pay for that development. So that got to Pixar. And so John was there. And of course, John Lasseter's thing was, he had always wanted to do feature length animation movie, computer computer generated one. Pixar up to that point, they didn't really have the resources to do more than very short things. So they would do these three or four minute films that would appear at SIGGRAPH and their bread and butter was TV commercials, you know, 30 seconds. But they got hooked up with Disney, commercials, you know, 30 seconds. But they got hooked up with Disney, a contract with Disney to do one of these films. So Toy Story of these films. So Toy Story was this, the first one. And one. And John Lasseter was in charge of that. And so he was phenomenally busy, but I still wanted to get him to draw another version of the demon. So I actually got in touch with version of the demon. So I actually got in touch with his second partner, actually got in touch with his secretary, you know, to sort of arrange the thing happen. And, you know, she said, oh, we'll do it. And oh, we'll do it. And we're getting closer and closer to where we have to have the thing for the book. And, you know, I'd learned that flowers and chocolates are good things. And whenever good things. And whenever you come to visit, it gets you favor. And And so she says, all right, I'm going to get him to do it. And, to get him to do it. And, you know, and so then I get a call like a few days later. I said, all a few days later. I said, all right, he's done it. And it. And I said, oh, how do you get to do it? And with the paper and the inks and the pens, and and I sat him down at his desk and she said, he said, he picked the pen up and kind of dipped it and looked at the paper and said, I haven't drawn an animation in five years. I years. I don't even know if I remember how to do this. And then to do this. And then some short amount of time did the whole thing, including the whole thing, including filling in all the colors. So that second one is the demon. Instead of just standing there with the trident, he's decided that he's going to try and skewer that glowing orb. So he's running after the glowing orb, you know, trying to spear it with his trident. So trident. So he's running along. And along. And so we send this off to Addison Wesley. And now, of course, John Lasseter is a famous person. So when you look is a famous person. So when you look on that book, you see that his signature is actually still left underneath it on the front cover. And again, it's another work for hire. I I think I paid another thousand dollars for that one. And in particular, the glowing dollars for that one. And in particular, the glowing orb, you know, it's going and it had this little streak behind it. And the people at Addison Wesley decided that looked too much like a sperm cell. So like a sperm cell. So they cut off that part. So it's cut off that part. So it's just this flying disc without quite so much stuff behind it. At any rate, so, you know, much stuff behind it. At any rate, so, you know, that was the second book. Then the third book, we went back and did the original demon on that one. That the original demon on that one. That was the first in the design implementation of the FreeBSD operating system series. operating system series. And then when we did the second edition for that one, we actually switched to the FreeBSD second edition for that one, we actually switched to the FreeBSD logo. FreeBSD had been using the demon as their logo, but the, there there were issues among certain people with religious beliefs that they didn't like that. And so a that they didn't like that. And so a more stylized logo got created. And NetBSD and OpenBSD have also done their own logos at this point. So the BSD demon is really just sort of historically, BSD is not really in wide use today. Okay. So let's talk about completely different and personal life. completely different personal life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=5985.583,6732.964"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_01:\u003c/strong\u003e So let's talk about your private life. So let's talk about, although it still has to do with computers, look about your partner, Eric Oman, do with computers, look about your partner, Eric Oman, and how you came about to meet him. Yes, that's it. So I had, you know, throughout my life, I had interacted my life, I had interacted sexually with other males,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=6734.1,6765.672"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_00:\u003c/strong\u003e but I was not out as a gay person. I was sort of like, that was the down-low or whatever they call that sort of status quo. call that status quo. So I was not out as a gay person. Like that was the down-low or whatever they call that sort of, you do it, but you pretend you don't do it or something. So when I got to Berkeley, which would have been in 1976, the very first semester I was there, I was taking a class on databases. And And the class was taught by a professor by a professor that was working on the Ingress project. And, and Eric, as a, as a student was hired to be working on the Ingress project. And of course we used Ingress in our, as the thing that we use for our class assignments. And so it turned And so it turned out that Eric had been sort of assigned as a TA to help the students that were doing these projects. So of course I was a student and so he was, he was the TA that I had. And so he started TA that I had. And so he started acting kind of nicely towards me, but me, but I was kind of freaked out by this. And so I basically did not respond well. And so the two of us kind of ignored each other actively when we would see each other in the hallways, would other actively when we would see each other in the hallways, would turn and walk the other way. But after, so that was in 76. We did interact a little bit with each other, but it wasn't until about 1979 where I was starting to actually come out and be acknowledged as a gay person. And I had to actually come out and be acknowledged as a gay person. And I had gone to a, a meeting of what was at the time called the UC Gay People's Union. And so, and who should be on the other side of that room, but Eric. And so we sort of connected up at that point and started dating. And neither of us had really had a relationship that had managed to succeed for more than about six months. But so we sort of, you know, said, well, let's well, let's just start this slowly. Let's not start in bed. Let's start, you know, just doing things together. And that went on for a period of time and eventually we decided, you know, this does in fact seem to be working. And so we, be working. And so we, what we celebrate as our anniversary date is the day that we signed a lease together for an apartment. And in fact, there there were four of us living in that apartment and it was four bedrooms. And And we, Eric and I actually had our own bedrooms. But that was 18th of 1979 was when we moved in. And we had been through enough of these things in the past where, you know, the hardest part of these relationships is the breaking up part. Cause part. Cause at that point you just pissed off. And you know, especially if you've intermingled your belongings, then it's like, that's mine. No, it's mine. So we went out to the, you know, the day we moved in together, we went out to the stationery store and we bought these rolls of red and yellow dots, little tiny, you know, eight millimeter size dots. And I put a yellow dot on every book and every record and every, everything that was mine. And he put a red dot on all the things that were his so that when the time for the breakup came, there was no argument. If it had a yellow dot, it was mine. If it had a red dot, it was his. And, uh, well, I guess that must've been fairly successful because we, um, eventually we moved to another place. Uh, and then in 1986 we actually bought that from the landlord. Uh, Uh, so our second anniversary sort of date is the date we co-signed the, the the date we co-signed the, the paperwork to buy the house together. And, uh, of course you, I mean, you couldn't really buy it jointly. So we each had, you know, percentage, 50% ownership. Um, 50% ownership. Um, and, uh, so that was sort of the second anniversary that we have. Uh, then in 1992, the city of Berkeley started recognizing domestic partnership. And so, uh, And so, uh, you could get a domestic partnership certificate from the city of Berkeley, uh, uh, and if you were a city employee, you, that was actually beneficial because you could, you know, get health insurance coverage and so on. Like you would, if you were a married couple, but neither of us of course work for the city of Berkeley. So for us, it was really nothing more than a piece of paper, but it still gave us an opportunity to have a wedding ceremony. And we did that on Eric's mom's deck, uh, which has a, had a view of, you view of, you know, panoramic view of the Bay area of the Bay. Uh, and then we, but it could only hold about 25 people. So we just had sort of a core of people there. And then we retired back to our house, um, for the reception, the party afterwards, uh, where we had about a hundred people. And we in fact had a friend that ran a Japanese restaurant. So he set up a sushi bar in our living room and was serving sushi to everybody. everybody. Um, so, and then we got people there that were like, you know, well, you know, well, where's the ceremony? It's like, well, if we did that earlier and you know, well, well, yeah, well, I wasn't invited. And it's like, well, you know, that was you know, that was the boring part. We figured you just want to come to the party, but we got a lot of pushback about that. So, uh, at any rate, um, so we, and we did that of course on May 18th because we're, you know, I'm terrible at remembering dates and things. And so, you know, it's gotta be like one thing to remember, not like which of 10 it is. Uh, so that carried on. And then, uh, around 99, I think, uh, the state of California recognized domestic partnership and gave you the benefits like, you know, tax benefits and other things that you would get, of course, not the federal one. Uh, so we did that also on May 18th. Um, and then, uh, the, uh, California Supreme Court passed a thing that basically said the, you know, said the, you know, the, the state has to recognize marriage, um, and, you know, give the marriage privileges, uh, and that the, the Supreme Court rulings, both state and federal all seem to come out in June. And sure enough, this one came out sometime in June. And, um, I said to Eric and Eric's like, Oh, we need to get married. I'm like, yeah, but you know, we've missed May 18th and I can't be, you know, some other day. And besides which next May 18th is going to be our 30th anniversary. So that'll be the perfect scenario for that. So we start, you know, planning for that and so on and so forth. And then of course in November, they November, they passed proposition eight in California, which banned gay marriage recognition in California. So anyone had gotten married in that window between June and November 2nd, uh, November 2nd, uh, could remain married, but no new ones could happen. And And so of course our plans to get married on, you know, our our 30th anniversary are gone. So time rolls forward and, uh, then the, the federal Supreme Court basically, uh, ruled that proposition eight was invalid. And so that ruling of course came down in June and, uh, Eric is like, all right, now we really have to go out and get married. I I said, but next May 18th is going to be our 35th anniversary. It's going to be perfect. And Eric's like, you fooled me once. You're not fooling me twice. We're going out and we're getting married now. So we actually ended up getting married. We picked his mother's birthday in October to do it. And we just did a little ceremony with just her and the minister. And, uh, you know, we needed one other person, I guess. So our tenant, uh, and and then we went out and had a nice dinner. Uh, so then, uh, legally it's, you it's, you know, October 26th, but we a big fancy ass wedding, um, on May 18th of the following year. And, uh, much to my chagrin, uh, neither Eric's or my Wikipedia pages will allow us to put that May 18th date down. They insist that we have to have October 26th as our wedding day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=6767.725,7303.675"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_01:\u003c/strong\u003e By the way, I think this is a, you know, like there's the big difference between like now and what happened in 1981. So we mentioned briefly, uh, earlier that you were working for the UAC aircraft in, uh, Los Angeles and that eventually, and and probably luckily for us, you had to go and work. Yeah. Elsewhere. If you want to briefly say, what was the situation at the time? So the story at the time? So the story is that, um,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=7306.729,7342.906"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_00:\u003c/strong\u003e up until 1976, uh, gay people could not get security clearances beyond very minimal ones. And, um, minimal ones. And, um, I mean, at Hughes Aircraft, we were working on military stuff. And so you had to have fairly significant security clearances to do that. Uh, well, to do Uh, well, well, when Jimmy Carter was elected president, um, um, he said, well, why is it this rule that gay people can't have clearances? And the, uh, you know, the answer came back, well, you know, they could be blackmailed and, you know, and and be forced to give away information he said. So if they could prove that they wouldn't, couldn't be blackmailed, then wouldn't it, you know, would there be any other reason that they couldn't have a clearance? And they're, well, I guess not. He said, so you need to come up with some way of letting them prove that they won't be blackmailed. be blackmailed. And, you know, if they can pass that test, then you need to issue security clearances to them. And so, okay. Uh, Uh, so I needed security clearance. Uh, and, uh, you know, I, I, obviously I was gay. I wasn't, you know, trying to hide that. And so, uh, they, you know, the, the, the way you convince them, uh, and this, this, this, this, and again, and and sort of an interesting thing, uh, this is what I was told and what I did by Hughes Aircraft. It turned out when I later was talking to some security folks just in the last few years, I said, no, that was never the rule. You know, they just thought made that up as a way to do it. But, um, at um, at any rate, what I was, you I was, you have to take out an ad in the local newspaper in the classified section saying I comma your full name, declare myself to be a homosexual and run that ad. And if you're willing to do that, then you won't be black. You know, you can't be blackmailed because obviously you don't care. So you don't care. So the local newspaper for me was the Los Angeles times. And I dutifully went and ran the ad for a day and went and bought the paper and tore out the ad. and bought the paper tore out the ad. And that got stapled to the other 20 pages of my application and I got all my clearances. And, um, being the cheapskate that I was, I didn't buy two copies. cheapskate I didn't buy two copies. I just bought one and I gave away the only part of it that was, you know, necessary. Uh, and so many years later I went back to try and find it. And and find it. And it turns out that, you know, they scanned in all the papers, but they didn't bother with the classified section because, you know, who who cared about that? Uh, and so I've never been able to find it. I it. I don't really know what the date was and you know, et cetera. So it, it would require a great deal of effort to go find it. But nevertheless, um, you know, I got my clearances and the, the the, the clearances are high enough that you're, you're you're, you're not even allowed to say what the name of the clearances are. It's craziness. But of the clearances are. It's craziness. But anyway, um, so I got that and I was like this rising star because, uh, they needed this, this board design, uh, and anything that ends up going out into space, uh, has to be, you know, small, lightweight, not very big, uh, radiation hardened parts, uh, low power, et cetera, et cetera. So, um, um, the way these things had been done, they were all discrete component, uh, stuff. And I said, well, you know, we well, you know, we have these things called microprocessors. I can I can just drop a microprocessor in a couple of peripheral chips and a memory chip and you chips and a memory chip and you know, we can do everything you need. Uh, and so did that. And, uh, you know, so did And, uh, you know, so came in under budget on power and everything else. And furthermore, um, um, you know, they, they, the specs for things would change. So one change. So one of the things I had to do was uplinks and data. And they said, well, the, well, the, the, we've been told the uplink data is changing from odd parody to even parody. I don't know how long, how much it's going to take to, you know, fix that. Well, for me, it was like, you know, three lines of code and blow a new chip and put it in there. But it in there. But you don't want to admit that it's that easy. So, you know, I gave them a week and got a week of surfing while I waited for the week to go by. Um, at any rate, week to go by. Um, at any rate, uh, uh, all was going well. And, uh, you know, and and so on. So I was this kind of rising star. Um, and then Ronald Reagan got elected and turned out that Jimmy Carter, it was just an executive order. And in the very first week that Ronald Reagan was in office and did that order. Uh, order. Uh, so suddenly I come into work and I can't even go to my desk because my desk is in a classified area. Uh, and, uh, you know, they bring my personal stuff out from the desk and give it to me and say, you know, but, you know, we'll find things for you to do and, you know, blah, blah, blah. But it was very clear to me that that chosen career path was not really gonna be happening. So that's when I turned to focusing on no more doing","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=7347.386,7658.977"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e UNKNOWN:\u003c/strong\u003e electronics and let's just go into computer science. no more doing go into computer science.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=7659.117,7658.923"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_01:\u003c/strong\u003e So, uh, um, let's go back to, um, your husband. So you made a choice of, uh, raising four to having four sons, right? So So can you, would you like to talk about it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=7666.325,7686.212"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_00:\u003c/strong\u003e So we had this notion that it would be fun to adopt kids and raise them. And, uh, but at, in the, the to adopt kids and raise them. And, uh, but at, in the, the 1980s, it was not possible for gay couples to adopt at all. End of story. So, uh, we had to find some other way of making this work. And, uh, quite honestly, I I are particularly good at dealing with what I'll call the larval stage. Uh, so until we can sort of interact and talk and so on with the kids, you know, we're we're that, that's kind of where we're ready to start working on it. And, uh, then the sort of five to 10, to start working on it. And, uh, then the sort of five to 10, um, you know, we enjoy interacting with the kids, but again, it's not really our, our, our sweet spot. Our sweet spot is really sort of 10 to 18, um, where they're, they're starting to pull away from their parents, but they still want and need adult supervision, but it can't be their parents. Uh, and so that, that, can't be their parents. Uh, and so that, that, that's the area where we were really able to focus. And so able to focus. And so what we ended up doing is, uh, we, we we, we had friends that had kids, uh, and you know, we we were interacting with them while the kids were starting to grow up and you know, the kids liked us and we liked the kids and the parents were copacetic with having us, you know, take care of their kids. And of their kids. And so what ended up happening was the kids would come and spend their summer with us. And since I was self-employed, I could control my schedule so that I would basically just take summers off. Uh, so off. Uh, so it was just, you know, for, for three months, all I was doing was interacting with the kids and, uh, you know, we'd we'd go on these massive long trips. So we'd go, you know, fly down to Australia and spend the entire summer driving around the parts of Australia or New Zealand and spend the entire summer cruising around New Zealand and doing stuff and, or Europe or the U S I mean, we did all kinds of places. So, uh, and uh, and the upshot of that is then that, uh, three of the four kids were only, only children. And only children. And so the parents actually got the whole summer off from their teenage kids. Uh, and they, they thought that was pretty cool and we thought it was very cool. And, um, so, um, so, you know, it, it worked out quite well. And then of course, at around 18, of course, at around 18, you know, all adults become stupid, um, and you don't really hear from them much unless they need money. Uh, and, uh, but then somewhere around 21 or so, they, they, suddenly your intelligence returns and they reconnect with you on sort of a peer to peer, as opposed to a parent child relationship. So in fact, you know, it's worked out extremely well for us and, and for the kids. Sounds nice. the kids. Sounds nice. So, uh, we probably haven't mentioned, um,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=7687.744,7859.994"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_01:\u003c/strong\u003e why, I mean, I, I, I just introduced the fact that your husband has to do with computers, but I haven't really said, uh, what, why he's like he's famous computing due to send mail. Would you like to just briefly fill in that? Yes. So, um, I think I mentioned originally that Eric was working on the Ingress project. Um, and, uh, part of that was, uh, Eric was working on the Um, and, uh, part of that was, uh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=7860.02,7889.363"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_00:\u003c/strong\u003e that the Ingress project actually had the first ARPANET connection on campus. And, uh, so all of the, anyone that wanted to do anything with, on the ARPANET, you know, had to essentially have an account anything with, on the ARPANET, you know, had to essentially have an account on that machine. Uh, and you know, they, that was proving to be very difficult. I mean, the machine was a research machine and it wasn't really supposed to be like a general machine for people to do stuff on. And, but he kept getting, you know, all this push. Oh, I need an account. Blah, blah, blah. So really what they needed is because they wanted to be able to send and receive a letter, send and to be able to send and receive a letter, send and receive an email, but really what they needed is because they wanted to be able to send and receive electronic mail. And so what Eric said was, well, okay, what I'll do is I will just write this sort of post office kind of program that will accept mail off the local Berkeley network, a thing called Berknet, um, and then repackage it and send it out on the internet. And when stuff comes in from the internet, I will repackage it and send it across Berknet. Berknet, I might add was written by Eric Schmidt, uh, a name you might recognize from, uh, say a little company called Google, um, who was also one of our classmates. And, um, so by creating, Would you creating, Would you like to, to, to, to describe him? Uh, him? Uh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=7894.2,7979.461"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_01:\u003c/strong\u003e let, let me finish this story and then we can go back to that. Uh, well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=7981.126,7984.756"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_00:\u003c/strong\u003e actually I can describe him fairly quickly, which is to say he, uh, he, first of all, uh, his father, I guess was, uh, an executive at American Motors, which was the sort of number three, uh, auto company after General Motors and Ford. And, uh, you uh, you know, essentially number three was not big enough to make it. And so, you know, he saw that fade away. So he said, first of all, he knew that his role was to be an executive at a big company. And, uh, uh, that was his life goal. And he said, and And he said, and it can't be the number three company in the industry. It It has to be one of the top two. Uh, and he proved that make that happen by ultimately getting to Google and, uh, and, uh, having a role there. Um, so yeah, he, he, he had sort of a dim view of some of the professors at Berkeley. And so we would be in class together and he would just not cut them any slack. It was, uh, at the time it was a little cringy, but, uh, you know, it really sort of set his, uh, biting any bullshit attitude, which I think proved to be quite successful in his later career.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=7984.782,8061.254"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_01:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. Let's go back to the story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=8063.347,8065.595"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_00:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Okay. So to the story, um, so Eric wrote this thing, it thing, it was originally called deliver mail. Uh, and by being essentially able to forward mail back and forth between the internet and the local Berkeley network, he no longer had people, no longer needed to have accounts on that machine. Uh, and so, um, that was, was successful. Uh, but then of course, the problem was that in those days, you know, the internet wasn't the be all end all that it is today. And so there were tons of these little networks all around. So there was Burke net and there was the ARPA net and there was CS net and UUCP net and, uh, all of them had their own ways of, of writing addresses and so on. And so the, this deliver mail had to deal with all of these different, you know, forwarding from one network to another. Um, and the problem was that the details on what you needed to do in that was just coded into the deliver mail. So if you needed to make some change, you had to write some new code and then recompile deliver mail and redeploy deliver mail. And of course it had, you had to get it on all the other machines that you might be interacting with. And so this was just, uh, not a workable strategy. And so he then rewrote deliver mail into something called send mail. And the difference between the two was that send mail had a configuration file that that you would read in. And so if you needed to change the way something was done, the done, all you had to do was make a few fiddles in the configuration file and then boom, it would work. So there was no writing new code, no needing to recompile, no need to get binaries pushed to other machines. All All you had to do was send a two line patch to the configuration file and people could drop it in at their leisure. Now this configuration file was massively complex because of having to deal with all of these different networks. because of having to deal with all of these different networks. Uh, today, uh, when you look at mail systems, it it doesn't need anywhere near that level of complexity because pretty much we've all decided that TCP IP is, is the way it's going to be. And so, and addresses are all standardized throughout the entire world. Uh, so it just becomes a whole lot easier to do when you don't need all the complexity of that configuration file. But for the first 10 or 20 years of electronic mail, it was indispensable. Uh, Uh, and so, uh, one of the little side comments, well, send comments, well, send mail became prolific throughout. I mean, it's just what everybody used. And in fact, Eric eventually started a company, SendMailInc to provide commercialized support for SendMail. Uh, and that, that company, um, ran for about 10 years and finally, uh, was sold out to a, to another company, uh, because the need for the complexity of SendMail had pretty much gone away at that point. And so, uh, it still delivers about 10 or 20% of the mail on the internet today, but at, you know, but at, you know, it's down from the a hundred percent that it had for at least a decade. Uh, and, and one of the, uh, the comments that, uh, I, I I, I most like is that, uh, you know, all those people sending gay hate mail have to send it through a program written by a gay person. Okay. a gay person. Okay. Let's go back to, to you. Uh, a few last questions. Uh, Let's go back to, to you. Uh, a few last questions. Uh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=8066.182,8283.046"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_01:\u003c/strong\u003e answers that they don't have to be long, but like first general first general public license versus BSD license. What are your thoughts about that? Well, you're of course, asking somebody who might be just a little bit biased. Um, but, uh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=8286.02,8307.332"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_00:\u003c/strong\u003e the, the, the difference really is, um, with, with GPL, especially with GPL three, um, you are required to give your changes back that you make to any GPL software. Even if you have, if, if you have, GPL software. Even if you have, if, if you have, so the way people would get around this, companies would get around it is they would patent it. And so sure, you could get the it. And so sure, you could get the code, but then you had the license to patent. So between GPL two and three, GPL three says, not only do you have to give the code away, but you also have to have give the code away, but you also have to have a royalty free patent license for any patents that you have on that software. Uh, and, uh, I will note that the, the the Linux kernel itself is still GPL three. The Linux kernel itself is still GPL two, but most of the rest of the stuff that goes around it, uh, it, uh, is GPL three at this point, like GCC, the compiler, so on. Um, by contrast the Berkeley license. Uh, so we have copyright, which is sort of the traditional, uh, protecting your assets. We have a copy left, which is the GPL, which is you absolutely have to give it all away. Uh, and so we think of the BSD license as copy center, take it down to the copy center, make as many copies as you like, have a good life, give it back if you want them, if you don't. Um, and Um, and so the, the GPL people will argue that this just forces allows companies to, you know, companies you know, take all this public source or open source stuff and then just lock it back down again. And it's true. It does allow that to happen. Um, but the reality of the situation is that, you know, companies grab it, they run off, they do their proprietary stuff. And now, you know, time passes and a new version of FreeBSD or whatever comes out. And, uh, And, uh, it has a bunch of new features and a whole bunch of bug fixes that they need. And now they have to, you know, get, figure out what those are. And are. And they can't just look at the differences between what they have and, and, you know, what FreeBSD has released because it, you know, it's it, you know, it's got their stuff in it and other things that they've changed. And, you know, so they have to sort of pick and choose. And it turns out that it's, you know, out that it's, you know, many man hours of work to, you know, incorporate those changes. And, you know, a lot of them are things where, you know, they've done something to fix a bug. Uh, Uh, but then it ended up that bug got fixed, but in a different way. And And so then they have to figure out, you know, which is the right way to do this and on and on and on. And they realized, you know, if we had just, you know, that you know, that bug fix is nothing to do with our proprietary code. And if we'd simply pass that over to FreeBSD, then it would just be there and we wouldn't have to deal with it. And so what ends up happening is, uh, after they've revised for the first time, you start getting some bug fixes back, not a lot, but you not a lot, but you get some bug fixes back. And then they, the next time they have to do another upgrade every two years or so. Uh, and the next time it comes around, they're like, Oh, look, you know, it's much easier this time because there was all this stuff that was just there. there. Um, and so then they, they give you a lot of stuff back, you know, they say, well, back, you know, they say, well, what's the stuff we really care about? And about? And they just got to narrow it down to this little bit. And then bit. And then they pretty much the rest of it comes back. And sure enough, the next sure enough, the next third upgrade they do, it's even easier yet. And so pretty soon they're trying to give you stuff. Uh, it's like, you know, it's specific to their product. And if you put it in FreeBSD, then you're going to have to maintain that. And, you know, you don't you know, you don't want to do that. So thank you very much for offering that code. We really that code. We really appreciate that, but no, uh, no, we don't need that. Um, and so, uh, if you sort of look over time, you know, uh, you'll see that the, the GPL folks and the, the the, the BSD licensed folks end up getting more or less the same amount back. Um, in fact, back. Um, in fact, a lot of the companies with GPL are going out of their way to try and figure out out how to get around it by, you know, doing binary things and other stuff like this. Uh, and then the GPL people, they, they design new interfaces that are GPL. If you use this interface, then then you have to give any code away that you use the interface, right? And interface, right? And it's just this battle going on between them, uh, versus in the, in the, the BSD one, you know, we just don't have those battles. The companies that want to run off and do their own thing. I mean, and there do their own thing. I mean, and there are some that do that. Um, and for the most part, they, they part, they, they just at some point give up on trying to do upgrades and, you know, then, then they get a huge amount of technical debt and, you know, eventually, you know, they have to do something else. But, uh, the other thing though, is that, um, at the end of the day, it's the open source that's most important, you know, and you know, and so I can sit here and niggle about what's the better license to have, but the high order bit to me is open source software, you know, and that's the thing that's important. And as you know, that is the thing that I've, you know, if what's the thing I want to see going forward, that's what I want to see going forward. And, you know, it's been wildly successful in the days of Sunmail when they were trying to get funding, uh, you know, people like, how can you, you know, have how can you, you know, have a company based around open source software? I mean, any of your competitors can just get it. And it's like, they just didn't understand the framework of open source software. And And the thing about open source software is it's not good for everything. Uh, it's good for sort of what I'll call infrastructure, all the low level stuff. Um, things like, let's say TurboTax, which fills out your taxes for you. I don't want that to be open source. I mean, I want a company that I can go to and say, by God, I got God, I got audited this and it because your program is wrong and, you know, and you know, and you have to pay for my penalty. Um, and so, you know, there are certainly bits and pieces of software that don't fit that open source model. Um, and you know, companies now understand that. I mean, companies have really learned that, you know, by putting stuff out in open source, you're going to get a lot of free development help and debugging help and other things of that sort. Uh, and it certainly helps security massively because when a lot of eyes are looking at things, you know, stuff gets discovered and fixed, which is why I wish that we, the, you know, there's an open source voting machine software, but so far it has not been adopted in any of the U S States. And, you you know, the, the analysis has been done of the closed source voting software is pretty dire. So, uh, you know, is pretty dire. So, uh, you know, I think that would be a case where having it open source would be a huge benefit, but, uh, so far that hasn't happened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=8308.0,8722.273"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_01:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh, what advice would you give to someone willing to pursue your career today?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=8725.685,8730.516"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_00:\u003c/strong\u003e Sorry, I've missed the last half of that question. So So what advice would you give to someone willing to pursue your career today? Ah, Ah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=8734.709,8742.823"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_01:\u003c/strong\u003e yeah. Pursue the career.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=8742.843,8745.654"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_00:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, there's all kinds of advice that I would give, you know, which which would have depend on, uh, what it was that they were, were trying to do or, you know, where they want it to go. Uh, if, if somebody that's, you know, interested in, um, um, operating systems or something like that, you know, I can sort of lay out to them, you know, or something like that, you know, I can sort of lay out to them, you know, well, you know, here's sort of what I see as the interesting problems. Um, there's other things like, you know, all this stuff that's going on with AI, which I am both fascinated and terrified of. Um, you know, so if, if someone has been working on AI, I'd say, you know, I think we need to sort of sit down and figure out how we can do this in a way that isn't going to cause a catastrophe down the road. Um, and, uh, I, I certainly hope that we're, you know, we're we're going to come to that before something bad starts to happen. Uh, and, but, you know, starts to happen. Uh, and, but, you know, you know, then there's just sort of the life philosophy and that's, you know, sort you know, sort of, you know, be true to yourself, figure out, you know, figure out, you know, out, you know, figure out, you know, who you are and what you want to try and get done. And, And, and, you know, sometimes you have to just sort of step back and look at your life and say, all right, you know, let's do an evaluation here. You know, what's working well, what's not working well, et cetera. Um, so, I mean, I don't have, you know, the little elevator pitch on, you know, these these are the things that you need to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=8751.246,8846.13"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_01:\u003c/strong\u003e Is there anything you would do differently if you had your time again?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633#t=8848.105,8853.418"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89655/file/185633/transcript/42710/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_00:\u003c/strong\u003e I have been remarkably lucky in that I have spent rather little of my time doing things that I feel like I could have, uh, done some, you know, used some, you know, used that time more effectively doing something else. I mean, the travel is one of the things, you know, I, a lot of people say, well, I'm going to wait until I retire and then I'm going to finally, you know, start traveling and like traveling is hard. And, uh, you know, that's not something that you're going to be very successful if you wait until you're, you wait until you're, you know, 65 before you start trying to do it. Um, and so I'm very, very happy that I, for example, took time away from my job to do things like traveling for three months in Australia or New Zealand traveling for three months in Australia or New Zealand or wherever. Um, and this is, you know, particularly come, come come, come back to become even more clear to me because I've been diagnosed with primary lateral sclerosis, because I've been diagnosed primary lateral sclerosis, which means at this point I'm losing the ability to walk. And, you know, walk. And, you know, I just couldn't do some of the hiking and skiing and you know, other things that I was able to do, um, in my forties and fifties. And if I hadn't done that, I, you know, today, yeah, I've got the time, but I couldn't do those things anymore. So, uh, I'm very happy that I made time to do those things when it would have been very easy to just be totally sucked into my to do those things when it would have been very easy to just be totally sucked into my career. And, uh, so I think, you know, I think it's important that, uh, you sit back and, and, it's important that, uh, you sit back and, and, and, you know, don't just let the everything of the moment totally drive your life. Some sort of periodically sort of step back everything of the moment totally drive your life. Some sort of periodically sort of step back and say, you know, what are some of the things I want to accomplish in my lifetime? 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