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I am Elisabetta Mori, an interviewer with FOSSDA, and today I'll be talking to John Maddog Hall. We are recording on theirstory.io, and I am in Livorno, Italy, and Maddog is in Amherst, New Hampshire in the US. Maddog is currently the board chair of the Linux Professional Institute, the co-founder and senior advisor to Kaninos Lukos, the president of Project Kawan, and the executive director of Linux International. He He has been a programmer, system designer, synthesis administrator, product manager, technical marketing manager, educator, author, CEO, and consultant. He has worked on many systems, both proprietary and open, having concentrated on Unix systems since 1980 and Linux systems since 1994. When he first met Linus Torvalds, he currently recognized the commercial importance of Linux and free and open source software. Welcome, Maddog. Thank you for being here today. Let's start with where and when you were born.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=4.187,89.476"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, thank you very much for inviting me to do this. I'm very honored to give this talk. I was born in Baltimore, Maryland in 1950, and that was a time where we saw the white person's water fountain and the black person's water fountain. We saw the white person's lunch counter and the black person's lunch counter. We celebrated the Civil War because it was a hundred years since that had happened. And And of course, it was also five years after the end of World War II. So we saw a lot of the people who had been fighting during that war that had come home and were now living among us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=91.383,136.193"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Elisabetta Mori:\u003c/strong\u003e Can you describe your parents?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=139.722,141.269"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e My parents were the mom and pop. My father was an airplane mechanic. My mother was basically a homemaker, but she had also studied accounting. And she would work from time to time in jewelry stores or bakery shops or things like that as a manager of the store. But most of the time she stayed at home taking care of my brother, who was seven years older than I was, and myself and my father, of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=143.262,174.994"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Elisabetta Mori:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you have any siblings?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=178.566,179.55"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e I have one brother who is seven years older than I am, but that's the only person who is a sibling. He is still alive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=181.021,188.053"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Elisabetta Mori:\u003c/strong\u003e What was your family life like? It was good. Did you have any important influence on you in your early life?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=191.324,201.01"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e My father was a good influence on me because he was very interested in mechanical things and machinery. He would subscribe to these magazines called Popular Mechanics and Popular Science and Popular Electronics. And every month when they came, he would read through them and I would read through them. I particularly like the Popular Electronics magazines. And as I got older, I attended a electronics shop in high school where we built radios and TVs. We would first have to take apart old broken radios and TVs, the parts, because they were very expensive. And then we would design new radios out of the parts that we had scavenged. So I learned a lot about electronics from that. And that was one of the reasons why I wanted to become an electrician when I went to university. My father also worked in a toy store. And I was assigned the assembling of parts, bicycles and things, particularly the things that required instructions. My reading instructions. And he would typically give this to me and I would read the instructions and then assemble the components for him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=204.001,289.671"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Elisabetta Mori:\u003c/strong\u003e So you went to high school in the mid-1960s. And then what happened? What did you, what's your choice after high school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=293.22,306.333"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I applied and was accepted to Drexel University. It was a very good engineering school, very well known. And it was a private university, not a public one, but its tuition rate was relatively low for those days. And I started studying to be an electrical engineer. The other thing about Drexel was that it was a cooperative education school, which meant that you would go to school for six months and then you would work for six months and then go back to school for six months and work for six months. And the work was actually part of your education. Every education. Every time you finished a work cycle, you would have to write a report for the school about what you did and what you learned and things like that and how was the job. And so I got a job at Western Electric Corporation, which was a manufacturing arm of the telephone company. And we had, in our plant, we had over 4,000 people working. It was a very large plant. We made all the wiring cable for the telephone company at the time. And that included the cable that went underneath of the ocean, what we call long lines, to carry voice signals, telephone signals to Europe from the United States. Large ships would come into the port right beside our plant and we would load these cables on large spools into the hold of the ship. And then the ship would go out and start laying the cable across the ocean. So this was a very interesting place for a young electrical engineering student to learn about, in that time, how to control these massive machines, the wiring cable in the telephone company.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=307.621,431.232"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e During my first co-op trip that I was approached by one of the engineers there and said, we have a correspondence course in how to program this computer called an IBM 1130. And do you want to take this course? It is free. So I said, sure, I'll take the course and I would read the book at night and then I would go in and practice at night and on the weekends programming this IBM 1130, which they had in the engineering lab. That computer only had 4,000 16-bit words of memory. It had a one half megabyte disk drive, hard disk drive. I'll say that again for people. One half megabyte of disk space. And it had a paper tape reader and punch and a printer. And I would program this on punch cards and write programs to practice and then later on programs to help out the engineers in the facility with the work that they were doing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=433.061,503.236"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Elisabetta Mori:\u003c/strong\u003e So what was and when was your first program?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=504.621,507.71"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, like I said, this was 1969 on this IBM. So I don't remember what the first program was because I was reading this book and it was taking us through very simple programs into more complex programs. But one of the programs that I wrote before I left before I graduated from university was a course. It's a program to do multiple regression analysis on wire from relating the physical characteristics of wire to the electrical characteristics of wire. So it was a very engineering-oriented scientific program that I had to jam all the data that I needed into this very small memory. The IBM 1130 did not really have an operating system. When you wrote your program, you linked the device drivers into your program, not into the operating system. You booted your program to run on the computer and you could watch the lights on the front of the panel to see how your program was going along. And I could actually look after a while, I could look at the lights on the front panel and figure out whether my program was in an infinite loop or whether my program was proceeding like it should be proceeding. And it was a very interesting thing. But of course, for a large portion of this time, I was still an electrical engineering student. About halfway through my college education, I was doing more and more computing and less and less electrical engineering. So I made a choice to switch my curriculum to one that was half engineering and business. And so because I had done most of my engineering work, I then started studying accounting and marketing and management and things like that, as well as having my courses in physics and statistical analysis and things like that. So I really had a basis of both sides of the world, the technical side and the business side, when I graduated with my degree in 1973.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=509.04,652.357"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Elisabetta Mori:\u003c/strong\u003e And so in 1973, you worked at Aetna Life and Casualty in Hartford, Connecticut. Then you had another IBM computer, but this time was a 360, 370, right? Well, let's go back slightly back to Drexel for a moment, because as I started to get into computers, I found out that there was this laboratory at Drexel where they had digital PDP computers, PDP8s and Link8s and things like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=656.1,687.118"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e And again, this was a case where I wasn't actually taking a course in how to program these, but I was learning this on my own. I would be given a book on how to program in assembly language, and I taught myself how to do that. I taught myself binary arithmetic by reading books and then practicing. And I started the Drexel Computer Club while I was there. I created a computer club. We got together and we shared ideas and thoughts and things. And so when I said my degree was in commerce and engineering, there was a very strong minor in this thing called data processing. It wasn't computer science back in those days. It was more like computer black magic. And so you got, you know, in fact, I had a professor tell me from Drexel, tell me, John, you will never be able to have a job as a professional programmer. Because back in those days, there were very few professional programmers. When you wrote a program, it's because you were a physicist and you needed the program for your physics. You were an electrical engineer and you needed the program for your electronics. You were a chemist and you needed the program for your chemistry. You were an educator and you needed this program to help you with your education. Very, very few people had a job description of programmer. So, you know, we had a minor in programming. And that's what I graduated with. So then I got my job with Aetna and Aetna was the world's company in the world. They were huge. They had a building that was two city blocks long, eight stories tall. And it had a huge data center that was four levels below the ground and four levels above. And they automatically ordered two of everything that IBM announced, whether it was a new tape drive or new mainframe. IBM announced it. Aetna ordered two. And one went to our research division to figure out how we were going to use it. And the other one went to the computer floor because we knew we were going to use it sooner or later. And when they hired me, they saw that I had taught myself machine language programming for the PDP-8. And they said, do you think you could learn machine language programming for the IBM? And I rather brashly said, well, do you have a book? And they thought that the world of that answer. So they hired me for the job. And I worked for them from 1973 to 1977, doing mostly machine language, assembly language programming for IBM systems.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=688.041,887.534"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Elisabetta Mori:\u003c/strong\u003e And during the same years, you also got a master in computer science earned at night.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=890.38,895.493"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. There was a huge number of insurance companies in Hartford, Connecticut, the Hartford Travelers. They all competed with each other, but they all realized that they needed certain things in common. And so they got together and went to the Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in Troy, New York and said to have our computer people trained more in computer science and how do you actively write programs for these computers. And we want you to open up a branch of RPI in Hartford called the Hartford Graduate School. And And the only course you're going to teach is a master's degree in computer science. And RPI agreed to that. And because they knew that all of these insurance companies would be sending their computer people to get their master's degree at this graduate center. So there will be a huge influx of students to be trained. And I went there starting in nineteen seventy five, maybe seventy four. And it took me three years at night to get my master's degree in computer science. And I graduated in nineteen seventy seven. So I would I would go there two nights a week, study. But in reality, I did all my programming on Etna's computers because the Hartford Graduate Center only had a remote job entry link to their computers in Troy, New York. But Etna had all of this computing power that at night was available to me to do my programming jobs. So that was that was no. And what I learned in that wasn't so much I learned a lot from the courses themselves, but it reinforced what I had learned from working on my job and doing that type of work. Back in those days, relational databases were just starting to be used. And Etna was very much a user of these type of databases. James Martin, come in and talk to us directly about the use of databases. We had Ed Jordan, who and Larry Constantine, who did structured programming, invented structured programming. They came and talked to us about structured programming and saw the beginnings of software engineering. So these were very heady days. And Etna being so big and so powerful. They demanded the source code for the operating systems from IBM. If Etna bought any software, they demanded the source code of that software to be put in escrow just in case that company would go out of business. So, you know, if you want to sell something to Etna, you had to be willing to put your source code into escrow in case something happened. And back in those days, when you bought a software package, like maybe a new compiler, you might pay one hundred thousand dollars for that compiler to go in one system used by one person at a time. And you would negotiate that contract for months. I should also say that in those days, you could not apply software copyright or software, you could not apply copyright or patents to software. That did not happen until the mid 1980s. And consequently, the protection of software in those days was done either by trade secrets or by software contract. And that contract was negotiated between you and the company and might take months to do. So we paid one hundred thousand dollars for one compiler to go on one system and use it one person at a time. And when we bought that compiler, this magnetic tape showed up with an engineer attached to it. That engineer would spend a week at our facility trying to get their software to work properly on our system. And then they would run some tests to show us it was working properly. And then the engineer would say, OK, I'm going to take my tape back to my company. And And we would say, no, you're going to take that tape and put that in a safe in escrow just in case your miserable little company goes out of business. We're Etna and you're not. Go ahead. No, no, no. To give you a better idea, we had five hundred thousand magnetic tapes, 12 inch magnetic tapes in our tape library on site with another one hundred thousand tapes in software storage in a salt mine in Idaho. We had I worked personally on a file, one file of one program on one system that had five hundred IBM thirty three thirty disk drives hooked up to it. And each one of those thirty three thirty disk drives cost thirty two thousand US dollars in nineteen seventy five. I had to write the disk driver for it because IBM had no disk driver that could support that many disk drives at one time. And IBM had to give us the source code for their operating systems because that's the only way we would do business with them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=896.42,1280.552"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Elisabetta Mori:\u003c/strong\u003e So what happened when what brought you to move from Etna to to have your teaching experience at the Hartford State Technical College? Well, well, first of all, I had always wanted to teach, told the supervisor at Etna many times and I got my degree in 1970.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=1284.1,1312.941"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e My supervisor came over to me and with a newspaper and said, John, look at this. There's an advertisement for a professor at this little state technical college that was very close to where Etna was. He said, I know you've always wanted to teach. Why don't you take a look at this technical college and see if you if it's interesting to you. So I took the day off of work. I went over to the technical and I didn't apply to the office. I I didn't take my resume into them immediately. Instead, I just wandered around the computer science part of the college and talked with some of the students. I got the college catalog, which talked about the courses they had. I looked at the equipment which they had in their computer lab. And back in those days, every other single state technical college in the state of Connecticut would have an RJ link to the University of Connecticut. And they would punch cards. This college had a PDP 1170 from DEC that ran a time sharing operating system called Vistas E. It had 13 terminals in the computer lab. It had a separate digital PDP 1134 single user computer with a graphics tube and a light pen. It had a flatbed plotter for people to plot out designs and things. And I looked at the program. I looked at the computer system. I talked with the students and I liked all of them. So I then applied for the job of a teacher there at the school. And they accepted my resume. I then went back to Aetna and told my boss, thank you very much. I I decided to leave Aetna and go teach. I had to take a $3,000 cut in pay to go teach at the school. And of course, the teaching at the school for that amount of money meant I was teaching nine months of the year. If I taught at night, if I taught during this course salary, but I did eventually take a cut in pay to go teach. But it was a wonderful three and a half years teaching at that school. And I'm still in touch with many of the students that I taught at at that school. Some of them didn't receive any more formal education than what they got at Hartford State Technical College. We took, you know, in those days, most of the students had never seen a computer in real life. They saw them on TV. They saw them if they went with their parents to, you know, at work. But there were no computers in the home. There were very few computers in high schools that when they came and put their hands on the keyboard in my lab was the first time they'd actually touched a computer keyboard. And from that in two years, we took them to the point where they could program in several different high level languages, at least one assembly language. And they also knew how to program a database, a simple operating system and a simple compiler. So I was very proud of the program. I'm not I don't take credit for the program. It was set up by the professor in front of me, a person by the name of Graham Buntz. But Graham had to leave the school because of health problems. And I took over. I was very soon I was made the department head of the program. And I stayed being the department head until I left in 1977.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=1314.521,1571.83"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Elisabetta Mori:\u003c/strong\u003e Where does your nickname come from?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=1578.701,1581.709"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e I was afraid you were going to ask that. I'll try and tell this as quickly as possible. While I was teaching there at the school, I sometimes got into arguments with the dean of instruction about the proper way of teaching students. And sometimes these arguments would get very heated, very hot. And sometimes they were too hot for bad dogs and Englishmen. After the old Noel Cowell play, the dean was British and then I was the mad dog. And I know people looking at me today say, oh, mad dog, you're really nice. You're kind. You tell great stories and stuff. How did you get that name? But they didn't know me at that time. I was 27 years old and I had this very bad temper that sometimes I would open up and people would see it. And I still have the temper. But what I found out was that if you lose your temper, you lose the argument. And so now my strategy is that I make other people lose their temper. And it works. It's worked several times that I have won an argument by making other people lose their temper.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=1584.0,1662.171"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Elisabetta Mori:\u003c/strong\u003e So you stayed in school for three years. And then what changed? What happened? Well, a couple of things happened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=1665.702,1676.889"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e Quite frankly, I was spending more money than I made. I was going deeper into debt and I didn't see any real path out of that. And I had a student who graduated in the electrical engineering part, electrical technology part of the school, that he had gotten a job at Bell Laboratories in Massachusetts. And he said to me, mad dog, they're looking for a UNIX systems administrator there. Why don't you actually they're looking for an administrator there, systems administrator there. Why don't you apply? Now, that other than my mother and my father, every single person in my family, my grandmother, my aunt, my aunt's husband, my brother, my sister-in-law, and I, of course, worked for Wester Electric. So working for the telephone company was something that was in my blood. And to go to work for Bell Laboratories, who had this huge reputation in the scientific research field, was was very, very tempting. So I went up to the Bell Labs facility. I I started the interviewing process and they said, we want you to be the systems administrator of a cyber 720 computer system. Now, there's a lot of people who think that UNIX is unfriendly. Well, the CDC cyber knew there were users out there and it hated them. And so it was a very complex operating system that, you know, there were very few of them around. And And I looked at this and I said, no, I don't really want to be the systems administrator for the cyber. I want to be the systems administrator for your UNIX systems. And they said, well, we already have two people doing that job and we don't really, you know, we don't think that we want you to be the systems administrator of the cyber. And I said, I'm sorry, if you don't want me to be the systems administrator of the UNIX systems, then I don't want to work for you. And it was like shock on their faces that somebody had told them that they didn't want to work for Bell Laboratories. But I knew that Bell Laboratories had developed UNIX and I knew that if I was going to be a systems administrator, I would have access to everything that was in UNIX. And that's what I wanted to be. I could see a future for UNIX, but I did not see a future for Cyber 720 and the NOS operating system. So I went back to the school. I was back there about a week. Bell Labs called me up again. They said, Mr. Hall, we're going to have we're going to buy a contract from CDC, but we want you to be the systems administrator of the UNIX system. Have you ever used UNIX before? No. But do you have a book about it? And so between the time I accepted the job and read, I read a lot about UNIX. And when I went there, they sent me to a UNIX class for a week. And then I became the UNIX systems administrator. And I stayed there for three and a half years before I had a job offer from Digital Equipment Corporation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=1677.12,1898.432"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Elisabetta Mori:\u003c/strong\u003e Where was the job for Digital Equipment? Which city?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=1900.26,1903.351"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it was very close because Digital had a headquarters in Maynard, Massachusetts, and Bell Labs was in North Andover, Massachusetts. I then, you know, these were development part of actually in Maryland, I'm sure, and they were building a new facility in Nashua, New Hampshire, which is very close to where I live. So for the first couple of months, I lived in my house in Massachusetts and then worked in New Hampshire. But then I moved into an apartment in New Hampshire and stayed there for a number of years. So it was very close to where I was. But Digital was starting up a new UNIX group and they were going to be developing their own version of UNIX. And so I was, of course, very interested in doing this. And that's where I joined. I joined Digital to do that work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=1904.32,1966.107"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Elisabetta Mori:\u003c/strong\u003e And so you started working for Digital Equipment Corporation in 1983. So there is something that at some point happens in 1994. So what was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=1971.3,1986.23"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e OK, so when we start, when I started working for Digital in 1983, at that point, a lot of different companies were dabbling in UNIX. They weren't really happy about UNIX because they had their own proprietary operating systems. You know, IBM had MVS and VMCMS and Hewlett Packard had MPE as their operating system. And Digital, of course, had VMS, their pride and joy of the VAX system. And they had a wide range of different operating systems on the PDP-11. They had VistaC, which I was familiar with. They had RT-11, which I was familiar with. They had various different types of UNIX systems. But what happened was this company called Sun Microsystems decided that they were going to bring out a system that that was specifically for UNIX at a much lower price than you could buy a VAX computer system or something from Hewlett Packard. And they were looking for an operating system to put on it. They had even come to Digital and asked to license VMS, but that wouldn't happen. And so they chose UNIX and specifically the Berkeley Software Distribution from the University of California, Berkeley. So originally, if you wanted UNIX on your system, you first had to buy a source code license from AT\u0026T. And if you were not a university, that could be extremely expensive. And you had to supply AT\u0026T the serial number of your computer system that you were going to put the source code on. And if that system broke and you wanted to put another system, you had to call up AT\u0026T, give them the next serial number before you could move the code to the next computer. So this is very awkward, very difficult. Universities had a site-wide source code license. And when I say universities, I'm talking about research universities like Stanford, like Berkeley, like Caltech, like MIT. If you were Hartford State Technical College, you didn't get that type of license. You had to pay the huge amount of money. So with Sun, they went back to AT\u0026T and they said, we're going to distribute our code only in binary form. Does that make a difference? And AT\u0026T said, yes, we will give you a much, much cheaper license. You know, you won't have to give us a serial number. You'll be able to manufacture this and put this out, you know, for a very low price. And this woke up all these other computer companies like DEC, like Hewlett Packard, like IBM and said, oh, we have to have the same deal. We have to come out with our own version of Unix in binary only form so we can get the same type of deal from AT\u0026T. And that is when Digital hired me as one of at that time, I think there were only 16 people in the whole engineering group. We eventually grew to be over 500. And, you know, to bring out this version, this binary only version of Unix. And this is important because as we get to Mr. Stallman in a little bit, we'll see why this affected him. I was in Digital. We brought out several different versions of something we called V7M11. That was version 7M modified. We brought that out. We eventually changed that name to Ultrix 11. We had another system, Ultrix 32 for the VAX. And that was going along. After a number of years, we came out with this processor called the Alpha, the DEC Alpha. This was the this ended up being the fastest microprocessor in the world for eight years. It was also a 64 bit system instead of 32 bit. Now, why is that important? It's important because with 32 bits, you can access four billion bytes of data. But with 64 bits, you can access four billion times four billion bytes of data. And that's enough to store about 32 bytes of data for every square millimeter on the surface of the earth, including all the oceans. It is a huge amount of data. And at the same time, we appointed this new operating system called OSF-1 that was developed by the Open Software Foundation onto the Alpha to make a new distribution of Unix for the Alpha computer. So we were starting to put this out. This, This, of course, was a closed source proprietary system that you still needed an AT\u0026T source code license to get. You needed to, you know, it was it was very expensive to get the source code for it. And I was sitting there by this time being in technical marketing thinking, how can we make this code available to researchers, university researchers in how to use this very large address space? Because in order for them to get the source code for OSF-1, they had to spend a lot of money. They had to. And then when they finished their research, how did they publish it? You know, all they can do is write white papers about it. And, you know, so I was looking for a platform that university people could do the research and then publish not only their white papers, but also the source code for the work they had done freely without having to worry about copyright or anything like that. And at the same time, I had a friend of mine who was looking to bring this person from Europe to a DECAS group in New Orleans, Louisiana, where we were going to have our DECAS membership meeting. DECAS, I had been familiar with in the university. I had gotten a lot of my software from DECAS because it was free software that you could just order from my catalog for like five US dollars. Remember, I told you about the one compiler that was $100,000? I could get a compiler written by a DECAS member for five US dollars. They basically pay for the cost of the paper tape to be sent through the postal mail to me. I was exposed to DECAS at the university, exposed to DECAS at Harper State Technical College, out of my software for my students.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=1987.541,2461.314"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e I was exposed to DECAS at Bell Labs because even though we were using AT\u0026T's UNIX system, we were using it on DeX hardware, the VAX 11780.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=2464.001,2474.587"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e So I was exposed to DECAS this whole time, which were users of digital equipment who wrote software and contributed it to the DECAS library so that other people could be helped by it. And so I was going to this DECAS meeting. There were 19,000 people going to be coming to the meeting. I said, OK, I will finance this young person from Europe to come to DECAS to talk about the software that he wrote, whatever it is. And when I arrived at DECAS in New Orleans, I saw Linux for the first time because this young person was Linus Torvalds, who I'd never heard of before. I'd never heard of Linux before. They invited me to use Linux. And I said, this is really good. And this was on an Intel system. This is really good. And I listened to Linus' talks. Only 40 people showed up to each talk, which today it would be 6,000 people who would show up to hear him talk. But only 40 people out of 19,000 showed up. And after he gave his talk, I took him out on this riverboat called the Natchez. And while on board the Natchez, I said to him, Linus, have you ever thought about making Linux 64-bit and putting it on a RISC processor instead of an Intel CISC processor? And he said, well, I'd like to do that. But the DEC office in Helsinki, Finland has been having problems getting me an alpha. So I may have to do an IBM PowerPC instead. Now, I knew this was a wrong answer. I knew the alpha system was really the one he wanted to do. And so I said, don't do anything rash. I went back to digital headquarters and I called up a friend of mine named Jim Jackson. Now, for your audience, people would tell you that the way you get things done in a big company is that you write a proposal. You send it to your management. They look at it. They send it to their management. It goes up. This could take work. And so I did the thing that you really get stuff done. I called in favors. And I'd been working at digital at that point for 11 years. And there were a lot of people who owed me favors. And Jim Jackson was one of them. And I said, hi, Jim. You don't know who this person is. You don't know what he did. But I need to have an alpha system sent to Helsinki, Finland right away. He said, you're in luck. I have one sitting beside my desk that was returned from a software developer. To make a long story short, that system was worth 30,000 U.S. dollars. And Jim Jackson sent it to this person he never heard of with no justification whatsoever other than Mad Dog said it should go. And Jim says, what are you going to pay for? I said, I'll pay for the shipping. And that showed up in Linus' doorstep one day before the IBM PowerPC. But by that time, Linus had made up his mind that the alpha was the one he really wanted to do. And so when the IBM PowerPC showed up, he basically never even turned it on. And he didn't turn it on for over a year. Finally, he did turn it on just so he could tell IBM he had turned it on. But I then gathered some people at Digital who were also interested in having this research project done for the alpha. And they helped out with some of the low-level engineering that had to be done. While Linus and the rest of the kernel developers worked on the higher-level parts of the kernel, getting that working on the system. And we finished the port. We started the port in earnest on January the 1st of 1995. And we finished the port in November with the release of Red Hat software in November of 1995. So 11 months to take Linux from being a 32-bit kernel only on Intel systems to being a big kernel. And on N architectures, not just two. So in other words, if you wanted to add PowerPC, if you wanted to add Motorola, Linus set up the Swoyskio tree to cover all of those architectures. So this was a major step in the Linux kernel. And it's one of the reasons why the Linux kernel is used as part of Android as well as GNU Linux.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=2477.52,2806.831"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e Go ahead.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=2811.924,2813.09"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e So this is how I got this is why I got interested in Linux. And I could see because by this time I'd been in the computer industry a long time. And I could see the rate at which Linux was growing. And I could see that Unix systems were really losing out to Windows NT. Because by this time, Microsoft was not only being satisfied with the desktop, they wanted server systems also. And while Unix systems were still the king of a server system environment, along with proprietary operating systems like MVS, VMS, and MFT and others. The you know, you could see that Windows NT was beginning to encroach on that. Or Riley, who had been, you know, spent years publishing books on Unix and books on Unix applications was now switching over to publishing books on Windows NT. And I don't blame Tim for doing that because he had a publishing house, he had people he employed and stuff. But I felt a little bit betrayed by the person who had been pushing these Unix books for years, and was now falling into the Microsoft camp. But as Linux came out, he switched back. He stopped publishing books on Windows NT and went back to repurposing his books on Unix to this new thing called Linux. And of course, he started up the conference, the open source conference every year, and he's been active in the open source work. But I find it interesting that he did make that switch, you know, in the midst. And I knew that Linux was going to reinvigorate the Unix marketplace. It was going to supply Unix like systems in all spaces. And today, Linux is the most used operating system in the world. If you combine Android, if you say all the embedded systems that are being produced that use Linux, if you say all the service systems that are Linux server systems, particularly in the cloud, if you say that all 500 of the fastest supercomputers in the world use Linux, Linux is the most used kernel in the world. And, you know, that I was very happy about that. And I'm very happy about the fact that Linux is not only open source software, but is free software that uses a GPL license, not one of the other open source licenses.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=2815.421,3004.031"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Elisabetta Mori:\u003c/strong\u003e Can you describe Linus Torvalds and your relationship with him?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=3009.482,3014.55"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e It is a strange relationship because I knew Linus, you know, first as this university student who had this project. I was amazed by the project, quite frankly. Now, I've seen other open source projects like the X-Windows system from MIT, like the Berkeley software distribution of BSD Unix. I've seen those, but those were all places that had a central focal point. You know, the X-Windows system had the X consortium that came out of Boston or came out of Cambridge, Massachusetts. And Berkeley, of course, had the University of California Berkeley. Linux was a thing that the center of the Linux project was Linus's bedroom in Helsinki, Finland. And it was being developed by these people who were scattered across the world that many of them had never met each other face to face. And over the years, I started to think more about this and why this happened at this time. And I came up with three major things. Number one, Linus first started the project because he had a brand new 386 processor that he had gotten for Christmas. And, of course, the operating system that came with it was Microsoft. And Microsoft at the time used a swapping type of memory system, which meant that the largest program you could possibly have in your Microsoft system was how much you had. And your whole program had to fit into that RAM, possibly extended a little bit by what we call overlays. But that was a limitation. That was the operating system, not the hardware. The 386 could support what we call demand page virtual memory, which will allow you to have a program as big as a disk drive that backed it up. And so this was a real limitation on the Microsoft operating system of the time. The second thing was that the Internet was actually coming into your home. The Internet existed in universities, existed in companies. But in 1994, you could actually get the Internet through DSL or through beings in your house. And therefore, people could work on this project, not at their office, not at the university, but in their homes. And the third thing was that there was already existing a wide range of documentation about how operating systems were supposed to work. There were things like Minix, which was a microkernel that that leaders did for one reason or another didn't choose. There were there was BSD that you could get the source code for. But, you know, that was tied up with some type of legal things from AT\u0026T. And so all these things came together, the documentation, the Internet in the home, and the availability of this very powerful 386 processor that could have demand page virtual memory. And then finally, this very stubborn young man in Helsinki, Finland, who was going to write his own kernel just for fun. It wasn't going to be a big important project. It was just going to be his little hobby. Does anybody want to join him with us with this? And so I met him. So he started the project in 1991. Version one of the kernel had come out just a month or so before I met him at this event. And if you if you work with operating system development, you realize that version one is the first version that people say, OK, we can really have people using this. It has enough functionality that is useful to the average person. Before that, you have version zero point one, version zero point two, version zero point three. And for the previous year, Linux had been on version point nine nine nine nine point nine nine nine nine nine nine nine and point nine nine nine nine nine nine nine. Until finally, in the first few months of 1994, it became version one. In the meantime, in 1993, there were these other groups of people like Yggdrasil, soft landing systems, a fledgling red hat and others who were taking the kernel and all the new tools and some of the things from BSD and putting them together into distributions. So their distributions were either Debian was already also there. The distributions were already shipping or very close to shipping when Linus said, OK, it's one dot oh. And so they put the one dot oh kernel into their distributions. And that's when Linux hit the big time. OK, so I'm seeing it because Linux with version one dot oh of the kernel on top of this Intel system that was 32 bit. And I'm saying, I want to see this when an alpha 64 bit system with the fastest microprocessor in the world. And so I met Linus. He's a very quiet, you know, introspective type of person. And I liked him immediately, not just because he had done Linux, but because I liked him. And he liked me. And we went out on this riverboat I talked about. I took it and showed him the steam engine at the part of at the back of the boat. I didn't know at that time that he loved steam engines. He is a math physics major and he loved the whole concept of steam engines. So here I am explaining the steam engine to him and how it works, because I love steam engines. I also like mechanical clocks. I didn't realize at the time that he likes mechanical clocks. I like warm puppies. He loves warm puppies. And eventually I met his wife, Tuve, who prefers to be called Susan these days. And so eventually one day they called me up and they said, Mad Dog, we're about to have a child. Would Would you like to be one of the godfathers? So each finished person, each finished child has two godfathers and two godmothers. And Linus and Tuve would be to be one of the godfathers. Dirk Hondo is the other godfather. And then two godmothers. And I accepted and I went over for the baby naming ceremony, which was about six months after Patricia was born. And I met all their family and stuff. So, you know, this is not about Linux or about computers. It's about I like them and they seem to like me. And I some from time to time visit them in the house. And people say to me, oh, Mad Dog, you must talk to Linus a lot about Linux. I say, no, I don't. There was enough people who give him advice and knowledge stuff on Linux. I talked to him about his family and his interests other than Linux. And I think that's why they also continue to like me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=3018.581,3532.345"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Elisabetta Mori:\u003c/strong\u003e So let's go back to 1994. So in 1994, you began your experience with Linux International. So can you explain to us what is Linux International and what are your major contributions to these so far?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=3536.28,3552.494"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e OK, so in 1990, there was a group of small companies who said Linux is looked at by hobbyists and some people in the scientific community. But we really think that it has commercial value. And these companies were people like the original Linux mall by Mark Bolstern. Bill Hughes, who started the Linux Journal, a very, very young Red Hat that was started by Mark Ewing, Eric Trowen and Donnie Barnes, and then later joined by Bob Young, who became the president of Red Hat. We had people from Yggdrasil, eventually even Sun Microsystems joined and Digital joined. But because these companies were very small, they didn't have much money to help to fund Linux International. And when I went to my boss and said we can know digital can join Linux International at the highest membership rate, he said, what is that rate? I said, four thousand dollars. He said, I don't think I can write a check for that small amount of money. But he did. And we joined. And this was, you know, we started it up and almost immediately we were hit with a problem. There was this person in Boston, Massachusetts, who had trademarked the term Linux and was contacting all these companies saying, unless you pay me a quarter of your revenues, I'm going to sue you and block you from using the word Linux. Now, anybody who does licensing of trademarks or technology of any type knows that a quarter of your revenues is just ridiculous. And so almost immediately we knew that this was not a serious thing. We talked to Linus about it and says, Linus, did you ever be contacted by this guy? He says, yes, he calls me up. And the first thing he says to me on the phone is, do you believe in God? And that's difficult with Linus because he doesn't. And so we hired a lawyer, a guy by the name of Jerry Davis, who was, you know, he said he would do this work pro bono, which is very generous of him. And another lawyer by the name of Eric Bustani, who also worked with Jerry. And we started investigating this and we found out that this person in Boston kept going through lawyers. And every time we talked or tried to talk to him, it was to a different lawyer. And we realized that this guy was kind of bonkers. So his final lawyer said to me, look, he doesn't really have a case on this. And if you just pay the money which he has paid to register the Linux trademark, he will transfer it to somebody you want to, to do that, you know, to hold it. So we had him transfer it to Linus. Now is the holder of the Linux trademark. And we have we set up a method of protecting and licensing the term Linux. You have to do that. You can't just put it into the public domain. It's very bad. So people can license the term Linux for any legitimate purpose, free of charge. And we formulated a way of protecting the Linux trademark legally. We also started a project called the Linux standard base. We, that was to help people who want to put binary applications and have them run across distributions. We started a marketing campaign. Having the Linux Business Expo as part of Comdex. So this was using Linux in a business case with business applications. We formulated an event at CBIT, the world's largest computer show for a number of years. We went there for 17 years as Linux International and participated in the Linux Pavilions at CBIT. We did this type of work. And of course, I started going around the world talking about Linux, working with governments and corporations to have them understand about Linux and what it's going on. So in particular, I wanted to ask about your roles being a consultant for governments.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=3553.761,3858.116"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Elisabetta Mori:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know what you can share with us. But if you could perhaps tell us a little bit about how you were consulted for open source software, open hardware and in general free culture with the example, some thinking about perhaps China. So when did you have contact with China? And if you can summarize, you know, what was your role, what you achieved, thinking also about Malaysia, Canada, Vietnam. So we can provide examples and also when it happened, which years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=3858.983,3900.694"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e Sometimes I get a little hazy on the years, so don't hold my feet to the fire on that. Let's talk about Malaysia. Malaysia, the Malaysian government was creating a five year program to use open source software. And Malaysia is particularly interesting because unlike a lot of other countries, at that time, 70 percent of the people that were in IT were women. And 70 percent of managers in younger managers were women. And the reason for this was that men in Malaysia at the age of 15 could typically go out and get a job doing heavy labor, digging ditches and running machinery and stuff like that. But women would typically not do that. So women would then go on to university and they would get the education and the skills to do data processing and management. And And so the government of Malaysia had this program at the time, had this program to even this out and make it 50-50 that 50 percent of the people would be women and 50 percent would be men. And at this time, they were putting together a program to train people and stuff like that. So they invited me over to talk about free software and licensing and how this could be done. I never really got a good report back on them as the success of their program. But I know that Malaysia for a number of years was heavily stressing free software in doing this. So doing this. So that was Malaysia. China was about 1996 Malaysia. China was about 1996 when I first went over to China. There was a distribution called Red Flag Linux, which looked a lot like Red Hat Linux. I mean, very, very much like Red Hat Linux, except that Red Flag Linux was being sold to host offices and other places by the government. Eventually, Red Flag Linux was incorporated into another distribution of Linux called Asiatic Linux, which is used both by China, Japan and South Korea as the Asiatic languages, it stresses multi-byte codes like ISO codes for letters. And I first met with the Red Flag people, and people, and then later on I met with the Asiatic people at various trade shows and things like that. I recently went to Cuba. Cuba, as you know, has had an embargo against it, which makes it very difficult for them to use products from Microsoft or things like that. So they have refocused on using Linux. They have their own distribution of Linux called Nova. And they are also very interested in some of the newer technologies like RISC-V, which would be spread across multiple countries and stuff. Let's see, what other ones are you interested in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=3901.561,4119.189"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Elisabetta Mori:\u003c/strong\u003e Perhaps what you did for United Nations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=4121.424,4124.151"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, well, I've gone to several different United Nations things. They had a thing called WIT4 that was a joint thing between Germany and the United Nations in in developing countries and developing their technology and stuff. And WIT4 was very in tune with Linux and using open source software in order to do that. I attended several different conferences sponsored by WIT4. One of them was in Oman in northern Africa. One was in Vietnam. So I would attend those and do presentations and sit down with them and talk about licensing and what licensing meant. And the amount of money, the huge amount of money that would be saved by countries. And instead of sending all of that in license and royalty fees back to the United States, they instead could take that money and pay local programmers to improve free software, which creates local jobs, local housing, and pays local taxes. And of course, that money comes back to create a demand for local services like programming, like systems administration, like creating solutions for people, which could then generate more jobs for programming. So for every dollar that you send outside of your country, it really represents ten dollars if you kept it inside your country. And this is one of the things I've been trying to tell people over the years. It's very strong, I think. But we have another problem. We can see this problem now with some of the political things that are going on. And that's what happens when some country decides that they're going to do something and other countries say, well, we're going to create an embargo against you. And for many years, there were extremely good programmers in Russia. And Russia was one of the first countries that really took Linux seriously. Back in 1996, I think, I went to Russia for the first time to a Unix Expo, and they already had Linux there. And the programmers were really good. But now, because of the Ukraine situation, you have all these countries putting embargoes on Russia. And it's disrupting the flow of products and things that Russians can use. So I live in a very strange country. I love my country, the United States. A lot of times in the United States, we don't think about what would happen if our access to computing was turned off like that. And so if you live outside of the United States, you may have to think twice about where are you going to get your processors, your software, things like that. Another thing is, what would happen if some type of nuclear holocaust was to hit Redmond, Washington? How long would it take Microsoft to put together the engineering team to be able to generate the next release of Windows? Even if they had the source code for Windows scattered across the world, where do they get the engineering talent, the people that know that software? With Linux, the source code is distributed on servers all over the world. And the people that know about it or can know about it is spread all over the world. So from a geopolitical safety standpoint, you have to look at that. You have large countries like the United States, like Russia, like China, which has the people who could put together an operating system and maintain it. But then you have small countries like Monaco or Liechtenstein. They don't have a prayer of putting together the amount of engineering power they need. So what they have to do is cooperate with people from all over the world. And yet at the same time, they have to be able to see the source code so that they know that these other countries are not putting Trojan horses and things like that into it. Microsoft, as an example, has places around the world where you can go. You have to leave your laptop outside, your phone outside, your pencil and paper outside. They will allow you to look over the Internet at code that they say is the source code for Microsoft products. Really? How do you know? And what is the product you're looking at? And are you sure that the code you're looking at is actually the code that went into the product that you got from Microsoft? And the answer is you don't know. So all these things are things that need to be looked at and need to be thought about by leaders. And this is the type of thing I talk to them about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=4125.861,4481.048"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Elisabetta Mori:\u003c/strong\u003e So I would like to talk about a few things, not too much extensively, then we can move to another topic. So first is your role in the board as a board chair of the Linux Professional Institute. So if you can briefly say what it is and what you what your role there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=4483.6,4509.252"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e So the board of directors of any organization is responsible for the fiscal and legal actions of the organization itself to make sure that in our case, we're a membership organization. Are we doing the proper things for the members? Are we handling the finances correctly? Is the organization going to go into bankruptcy? Are we doing things in a legal way that we're doing things in a fair matter? So as an example, one of the things we did recently was a diversity and inclusion policy for for our organization because we have two hundred fifteen thousand certified people in one hundred eighty countries around the world. That sounds great. But on the other hand, are we making sure that in these different countries that women get equal representation, that gay people get equal representation? And we say when we say equal, we mean that the membership of LPI should reflect the population of these countries. I mean, it'd be close to impossible to get 16 percent of the population of Africa to be black because there aren't 16, 16 percent of say Africa, Alaska, 16 percent. There aren't 16 percent of the people in Alaska who are black. So to say that we're going to have 16 percent of the programmers in Alaska be black is kind of hard. So on the other hand, if it's in Africa and a large population, the large percentage of that population is black, then maybe we should be a little suspect if 70 percent of the programmers are white. And so we should be working to make the different populations that we are responsible for match the populations of the areas that we're in. And likewise, the economic scale, we need to make sure that as much as possible, as much as we can influence, that people are up and down the pay scale matching the population. OK, OK, so this is what we worked into our policy. And this is now a focal point of what LPI is doing along with the other things that we're trying to do, which is create a professional aspect to free and open source software programming and administration. Now, as the board chair, I'm responsible for driving this, for making sure that the board members have equal input to these policies and things like that. We're about to have our annual general meeting in June, invite all of our members to participate. We're coming up with elections for the new board. And these are some of the things that I have to make sure are being done.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=4511.741,4717.051"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Elisabetta Mori:\u003c/strong\u003e So in on on June 24, 2012, you wrote you actually published an article. The title is in horror in honor of Alan Turing, and that was on Linux magazine. Can you tell us more about this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=4720.141,4744.046"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I am gay. One of the nice things about the computer industry is that they have been relatively accepting of LGBTQ people from as long back as I can remember. I've mentioned DECA several times. You would go to DECA's and they would have special interest groups of LGBT LGBTQ people. The Eustics Association that's located in California would have conferences and they would have their groups, their local groups of LGBTQ people join the first night of a conference and tell people you're safe here. You know, you can you can be yourself here. But I was still relatively closeted, not because I felt that I would be persecuted by being gay, but I just felt no real need to talk about it. And my life is going along fine. I I was perfectly happy, you know, working for DECA, working at the school with things. And, you know, I just did. If people had asked me, are you gay? I would have told them. But there was no need to. However, about the year 2000, people started to talk about marriage equality. Why can't gay people get married? Why can't LGBTQ people get married? And people started off with things like civil unions. But there was a lot of legal problems with civil unions. I have been the justice of the peace in New Hampshire for the last 30 years, which means that I can perform wedding ceremonies. I can take two people and make them husband and wife. But I am just a witness of this. Basically, I lead them through. I I am what is known as an officiant. And I recognize that it's the state that controls marriage, not the church. The church can give their blessing to a marriage. That's fine. The church can be an officiant to a marriage. That's fine. But unless you have a marriage license from the state, you're not going to be married. And it's the state that controls things like inheritance. It's It's the state that controls things like when you get divorced, who gets whatever. So I started to follow this because I am a justice of the peace. And I started to see a lot of hostility that I had never experienced before of the general population being against gay people. And I started seeing young people being thrown out of their house, being abandoned by their families just because they are gay. And this started to make me angry. And I started to participate in the New Hampshire push to get marriage equality in New Hampshire. Now, other states had, like I said, had civil unions. California unions. California had a civil union. Massachusetts had a civil union. But then their court system forced them to turn it from civil union into marriage. And in New Hampshire, we were the first state not to have the justice, not that the courts forced us to do it, but instead have our legislature vote to do it and our governors sign it into law. And I participated in pushing that. But there was still a large portion of the United States where kids were still being thrown out of their house. And I just I just couldn't take that because, you know, when you're growing up and you're fat and you're geekish and you're bullied in school because you're a geek, it's twice as bad when you're also gay. So if you're geek and gay, it's really intolerable. And five times the number of kids go to suicide who are gay than in the normal population. For every kid in the normal population that goes to suicide, five times the number in the LGBTQ community. And this is wrong. And so I wrote that article for all the geeky gay kids that are out there to say, you know, it's OK that you're gay. It's OK that you're lesbian. It's OK that you're trans. It doesn't hurt me. It doesn't hurt anybody else. And if you know, I'm not telling everybody to come out because you have to make that in your own decision. Your own time is something you have to determine. But I am telling you that sooner or later it will get better. And, you know, so I wrote that article, I published that and I published that because Alan Turing, considered to be the father of computer science, the father of artificial intelligence and who during World War II saved an estimated 14 billion lives and cut World War II short by about two years, was himself gay, was persecuted for it, and many people say committed suicide in 1954. I wish I could have met Alan Turing. I've been lucky enough to meet other people like Grace Barry Hopper, who I consider to be the first modern day programmer, or Maurice Wilkes, who invented microcode and subroutines. I've met them. I've met lots of people and I've known lots more. You know, like Hedy Lamarr, well-known actress, but also the person who developed the underpinnings for modern day Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, and split-spectrum programming or split-spectrum technology. So, you know, I admire these people. And after I wrote that article, I would go to a conference and I would have young people walk up to me and say thank you for writing that article.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=4746.862,5163.931"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Elisabetta Mori:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you. I'm just curious.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=5168.441,5171.15"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e I will also say that 10 years ago, I met somebody that we fell in love and in 2017, I buried him. He's now my husband and we're trying to get him a permanent visa for the United States. He's actually Brazilian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=5172.04,5187.964"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Elisabetta Mori:\u003c/strong\u003e Sounds lovely. Let's talk about Brazil. So there is another Mad Dog, Mad Dogs in Brazil. I'm talking about Caninos Lucas, Mad Dogs. So can you explain what it is and how you became involved in it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=5192.08,5219.792"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e So in 1994, I'm sorry, it must have been 1996. In 1996, I went to Sao Paulo, Brazil for the first time. There was a free software conference down there. And, you know, so I often ask people, what do you think about when you think about Brazil? You know, and people say, oh, soccer or football, however you call it. And they think about the Amazon and the rainforest. And they think about Samba and, you know, all these different things. They think about Parana, you know, the fish. But they don't think about the fact that Brazil is the 12th largest economy in the world. They don't think about the fact that Sao Paulo is the second largest city in the western hemisphere after only Mexico City, with New York being far down the line. They don't think about the fact that the University of Sao Paulo has 100,000 students and 16,000 PhDs. It is the number one university in all of Latin America. They don't think about those things. And so I got to know this. I got to know some of the faculty at the University of Sao Paulo, and particularly somebody named Dr. Marcelo Zufo. And he showed me the first Beowulf supercomputer that I'd ever seen in real life. I had seen pictures of them. I had actually talked with people who had made them. But he was actually using one to do really good research. And I was very impressed by this. And so I stayed in touch with him. And I started going to more and more of these conferences, not only in Brazil, but all over Latin America. And I saw amazing things, things that people in the United States would do. And so eventually, about the time that the Raspberry Pi came out, I had met some of the board members of the Raspberry Pi Foundation. And I invited one of those to come to Brazil to a large event and see the types of things that I had seen. And he came down and he looked at it. And I said, you know, a $35 Raspberry Pi by the time it gets to the Brazilian market costs 150 US dollars. And this completely negates why you invited you invented the Raspberry Pi in the first place. You want a very cheap computer that any high school student could afford to have. And, you know, in Brazil, it's just not happening. So why don't we manufacture the Raspberry Pi in Brazil? We license it from you. It's a cooperative manufacturing. And it would be a lot cheaper because you don't have this huge customs duty for shipping that you have to pay. So we partnered with the University of São Paulo on that. They have a surface mount technology line and they have the expertise to do this. And we spent two years making these baking 10 Raspberry Pies to show the Raspberry Pi Foundation. And after the two years, they said, no, we're not going to let you do this. So I at that point, I had known of a little company in China, Shenzhen, China, named Le Maker. And I had met them at Seabit. I had helped them become involved in Seabit. And they said, well, we have a wonderful little system called the guitar. And what we can do is you can license the guitar from us and manufacture the guitar in Brazil. So we started doing that. And there was a lot of work to be done and re-engineering and stuff on the guitar that eventually became known as the Labrador. That we are now ready to manufacture and sell in Brazil, which is a little little computer, much like the Raspberry Pi. Except it has two boards to it. One board has the CPU, the GPU and all the high speed components. And the other board has the connectors like USB connectors and HDMI connectors on it. So we're doing this in Brazil. We also have a tiny little computer about the size of a US quarter. And it has a M4, ARM M4 microcontroller on it. It is used to gather data, heat, light, humidity, vibration, things like that. And that's another one that we're producing. We call that the Pulga because it's a tiny little computer. We We were going to call it the Chihuahua, but we realized that not everybody likes Chihuahuas. So So we call it the Pulga, which is Portuguese for flea, because all dogs have fleas. And that's another one that we're producing. Now, you, of course, need software to put on top of this. We chose the Debian operating system. But then we said, well, how are people going to use this? Because I will say something to you that's very strange. People do not buy software. They do not buy hardware. They buy solutions to a problem. And maybe the problem is a game with somebody. And computers, you can play the game over the Internet with somebody. So somebody. So you buy the computer to play the game. But playing the game is a problem you want to solve. So we realized that not everybody is buying a Labrador or a Pulga. What they're buying is a component that they're going to use to solve a problem. And so we started creating mega solutions to problems that can be handled with the Labrador and the Pulga. As an example, during COVID, there was a huge demand for respirators in the world. And a respirator used in the university, used in a hospital to help you breathe, usually cost between 15 and 30,000 U.S. dollars. So we developed a respirator that uses a Pulga and a Labrador. It does the same thing for $2,000. And so instead of buying one $15,000 respirator, you could buy seven $2,000 respirators. And that is an example of a solution that is created using these computers. And we have other solutions that could be sold. You're about to ask me about Project Calwan. So there's another problem. Throughout Latin America, federal and state universities, like in a lot of European countries, federal and state universities are free of tuition for qualified students. If you work hard, you study hard in high school, you pass the entrance exams, you can get into the university and you do not pay any tuition. The problem is you still have fees and expenses. So you have to have a room and food while you're going to university. You need Internet while you're going to university. You You have to buy books when you're going to university. You You need to buy computers if you're going to university. You need all these things. And if your family is very poor, they may not be able to afford these things for you. And so 40% of the students who qualify for a free university education cannot accept it. Or if they do, they have to work these jobs like flipping hamburgers at McDonald's or being a clerk at a hotel at night, which do not pay very much. And so I developed this concept of taking students who may have been using computers since the age of eight. They are the people in their family that everybody comes to when they have a problem with their computer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=5222.0,5799.674"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e I can't install my application on Android. Can you help me? Oh, I can't receive email. Can you help me? My Wi-Fi isn't working. Can you help me? And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=5800.702,5814.44"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e And these young people will say, sure, I'll help you because it's family. But then when they go to get compensated for their time, they can't ask their mother to pay them for the time. Because it's their mother. She fed them when they were young. It's their diaper. How can you ask your mother to pay you for your time and expertise? And the answer is you can't. However, I will teach them that they can ask a business person for that. Because a business person needs their computer and a business person realizes that their computer isn't working. It's It's going to cost them time and money. So Project Coward teaches these young students how to set up their own business. And how to take the knowledge that they already have and sell that to small business people who need that expertise. And this will generate enough money doing part-time work that will pay their expenses for them to go to university. And therefore not getting the richest students, but we're getting the best students. And it's students who will be doing work that is related to what they want to learn in university. Not flipping hamburgers or being a night clerk at a hotel. So currently I am setting up pilots of this in Argentina, in Brazil. And once those pilots are successful, which I'm sure they will be, then we will open it up to the rest of the world. And this project is free of charge to the students. They They don't pay anything for it, ever. There's no tricks to it. They'll just be able to find out how to do this and do it. So hopefully we'll be able to generate one to two million new systems administrators and programmers using free and open source software who know how to run their own business. So instead of creating one company that has a million employees, I'm going to create a million companies that have one employee.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=5814.44,5975.211"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Elisabetta Mori:\u003c/strong\u003e And use open software, of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=5980.421,5982.628"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e They don't have to. I mean, if they want to try and do this stuff with Microsoft or with Oracle or any closed source proprietary software, that's fine. My interest is in getting them to be able to afford that university education if they want it. With LPI, I show them how they can get an education, can learn on their own. And, you know, that's what LPI does. But some students don't work that way. Some students have to go through the curriculum of a university. And I want to be able to make sure that they can afford to do that. You know, it's interesting that in Latin America, oftentimes the oldest child does not go to university. Because that child has been working since the age of 15 to help to support the family. So their younger siblings go to university and the oldest one does not. There's another interesting thing. When I went to Cuba, yes, communist Cuba, horrible communist Cuba. If you get into their university for computer science, not only is your tuition free, but they provide the room and board for the students. They buy the computers needed by the students. They buy the books needed by the students. And under certain circumstances, if they feel that the family needs the money to keep going, they will send a small stipend back to the family. So the students can be free to learn at the university. We can't even get our administrators in the United States to allow a reasonably priced college education. This is what causes the anger in me to build.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=5984.04,6112.346"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Elisabetta Mori:\u003c/strong\u003e So if you look retrospectively, your life. One. What are the achievements in a few words?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=6117.22,6135.47"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e The promotion, I think number one would be the promotion of free and open source software. And I must admit that in the early days, I tended more with open source. I'm one of the people credited with pointing the term open source. But over the years, I think more along the lines of Richard Stallman, that free software is a better way to go. And it's ironic that they call open source open source licenses. Not restrictive and the G. Drift of license. Oh, I'm sorry. Open source is permissive licenses. And the GPL is a restrictive license. But, you know, I look at the GPL as being one that frees more people to be able to have the needs solved rather than the so-called permissive licenses of MIT, BSD, and things like that. So pushing free software, you're trying to get more people to use it. That's definitely one. And secondly, I think teaching at Hartford State Technical College and later on Merrimack College and Daniel Webster College was definitely high points of my life. Then, not necessarily the last, is my husband Uku. And who I love very much. As far as I can tell, he loves me. So that is obviously something. And I wish I had met him earlier. And I wish that I hadn't lived so many years alone. But if that had happened, I might not have traveled as much. I might not have met as many people. So it's always hard to second guess what your life would have been. And you can spend the rest of your life second guessing and saying what if. But it does no good because we are where we are. If I was to have a suggestion to young people, I would say, save money. You know, try to save as much as you can. And then as you get older, you'll have money to do things like take nice trips and stuff like that. So, you know, I am financially I'm OK, but I'm not Bill Gates. And I'm certainly not Elon Musk or any of those people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=6138.4,6304.767"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Elisabetta Mori:\u003c/strong\u003e So if you look at the future, what do you think are the biggest challenges and opportunities for the free and open source software movement in the next 10 years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=6310.08,6323.413"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, as I said, I think one of the biggest opportunities is to take not only free software, but open hardware and open culture represented by things like Creative Commons and putting them together into solutions that people can not only use but expand to meet their needs. I can show people where closed source software is actually limiting in the type of solutions we can have because they are not you know, the companies that control the closed source software do not see enough of a business opportunity to implement what people need. And this means that some people can't get the solution that they need to solve their problem. But with open source, it puts that back and free software, it puts that control back in the hands of the end user. It becomes the end user's decision where they spend the money with the time or the energy to make the change to the software that gives them a better solution or do they live with the solution the way it is? And the thing is, that's the control that they have with free software. They still may not spend the money. They still may not have that solution. But that's their business decision and not the business decision of Microsoft or Oracle. I know that this is not a very politically correct thing to say in this day and age. But I think that people have a hard time understanding what freedom is. Certainly, a political party in the United States is really having a hard time with embracing freedom. And people have a hard time with freedom because with freedom, you go about your life, you say, yes, I'm free, I'm free, I'm free. But we're not really free. We're controlled by all sorts of things. So while people talk about free software, I instead talk about the opposite, which is software slavery. Because people are able to envision what a slave is. And it's not very nice. When you're a slave, you're told where to go, what to do, when to marry, when to have children, when to work, when to eat. You own nothing. You're in control of nothing. You are a slave. And when you're a software slave, you're told where to buy your software, how much you're going to pay for it, what computer system you're going to put it on, how many people can use it, when you're going to upgrade, how much you have to pay to maintain it, so forth and so on. And that is software slavery. And software slavery also precipitates software piracy. When you can't afford the software, but you need to have it to do your business, then you put a patch in your eye, you go RRR, and you steal the software because you need it for your business. So software freedom is being able to pull the software down, change to meet your needs, and therefore be able to do what you have to do for your business or your life. And it becomes you who is in control, not some company. So I realize it's not a very political thing, and I certainly don't want to represent the fact that not having my laptop as the equivalent of being a slave in the 1800s. 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So is there anything you would like to add that we haven't covered today?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=6579.04,6583.85"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I would say, you know, you asked me about things to look at in the near future.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=6586.14,6590.212"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e I would say RISC-V technology, which is a new architecture that's coming out, is being co-developed by lots of different companies. It's very, very interesting, and people should look at that as an alternative to ARM or Intel or AMD or other technologies. Certainly security is very strong. We need to have, you know, because of the Internet and the number of bad people out there, we need to really work hard to have a secure system. And you need to plan security architected from the ground up, not just try and put it on afterwards. And of course, artificial intelligence. There's a lot of people who are worried about chat, GDP and open AI as perhaps replacing them as programmers. And I have no answer for that, because I do believe that sometime in the future, we will be able to have what I call inorganic intelligence. That will be just as good and just as strong as organic intelligence. But I believe that's a little ways away, because what we see right now is not really intelligence. It is a what they call a large language module, large language programming. And it's the same as what the human mind does. It's orders of magnitude off in computing power from what the human mind can do. So, you know, but the way you get around that is that you practice and you learn that when artificial artificial intelligence comes in and does the low level stuff, you still have a job of doing the high level stuff. You still have a job in teaching the inorganic intelligence, what to do. So that's about it, I guess.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=6591.02,6728.429"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Elisabetta Mori:\u003c/strong\u003e A quick, quick, quick question that I didn't have the chance to ask you earlier. This is my historian. I I mean, my historian's guilt briefly. If you want to say very, very brief, briefly, what are your memories? Because you said you met them of Grace Hopper and of Morris Wilkes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=6734.022,6761.67"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, both of those people were actually hired by Digital Equipment Corporation, the company I worked for, to be ambassadors to go around to universities and give talks about what they were doing. And actually, Grace Mary Hopper was also used, well, I think both of them were used as advisors to some of our, some of our engineers in digital themselves, because many people think of Grace Mary Hopper as somebody who went around and gave nice talks about things like that, but she was actually a very, very knowledgeable, brilliant mathematician and logician. And it's always easier when you are standing here today and you look back, you say, of course people understand, of course it could be done. But when you're back there and you're trying to look forward, it's very hard. And people laughed at Grace Mary Hopper when she said, I think we can program computers, not just in the ones and zeros, but in English like languages. They laugh. And then she did a couple of the simple compilers, Flomatic, and then became the project lead on Cobalt. But beyond that, she was also a brilliant leader. And she would take young infants and try and get them to think outside the box. And I was lucky enough to have met her at deck. And I asked her to come and talk at Meramec College where I was teaching that night. And she did. And we went out to dinner together and she gave everybody nanoseconds and things like that. So she was just a delightful person. Dr. Wilkes Digital had a computer museum in some of its buildings in Marlboro, Massachusetts. And it was unusual because they not only had deck equipment there, but they also had equipment or pictures of equipment or things like that of other computer companies. They weren't trying to get the image that it's only deck that had done this, you know, they gave credit to other companies. So I had a young friend of mine who was studying electrical engineering at a university close to where I was working and living. And I said, Joe, how would you like to go to this museum on a Saturday? You know, we'll go inside and I'll show you around this equipment because a lot of this I had worked on. So he said yes. He was about I guess he was about 21 at the time and I was probably about 35. We show up t-shirts and shorts. It's a hot summer day. We signed in and we're assigned a guide to take us around. And he was a funny little old man and he had a suit and a white shirt and a top over the summer and work glasses. And he was kind of chubby and he started taking us around. And And he was a great guide because he would talk as if he knew all these people. He people. He had actually worked on these projects and these were great friends. He'd friends. He'd gone out to beer with them and stuff. He'd tell us stuff. And Joe and I just kept laughing about this because, no, this is a great guide. He made it seem personal and everything. And we get in front of this huge picture on the wall. It shows this young man, maybe in his early 20s, screwing together aluminum pipes that are going to hold mercury, which is going to be the memory of this first stored program computer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=6764.38,7000.716"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Elisabetta Mori:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, the mercury delay lines.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=7001.646,7003.574"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, exactly. And the voice behind us says, yes, there I am. That's me. And Joe and I look down at the corner and it says, Dr. Maurice Wilkes, head of the EDZAC project. And project. And we turn around and his pin says, Maurice Wilkes. And I go, oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God, Dr. Wilkes, please, please come to my university, come to my college and give a talk about anything you want to. So he graciously accepted. We gave a great talk, you know, of the work he was still doing at that age. And and we went out to dinner and I gave him four wine glasses with the university's name engraved into them. And he almost broke into tears because all of his wine glasses have been broken on the trip from England to the United States. And he and his wife had no wine glasses to use for their wine. So he was he was grateful for that. Now, that was the end with Dr. Wilkes for a while. But then many years later, a friend of mine who had worked on the Alpha Linux project, he had done the boot later called boot loader called Milo. This name is David Rustling. And David Rustling left deck, went on to work for Arm, became an arm fellow, then started a organization called Linaro that helps to put Linux on arm products. He was a chief technical officer of that. One day, Dave was asked to go to the University of Cambridge and give a talk about Linux and open source software and everything about that. He He does that. He's given a talk. And this is old man in the front row with all white hair asking questions. And David is answering these questions. As the talk is over and everybody's walking out, Dave turns to one of the people on the stage and says, Who is that old man asking those questions? And is, oh, that's Dr. Wilkes. And Dave goes, Oh, my God. Oh, my God. my God. Oh, my God. I've been presenting about Linux in front of Dr. Wilkes. So these are the types of people that I've been lucky enough to meet over the years and people who I greatly respect. And unfortunately, Dr. Wilkes is dead. And so is Dr. Hopper. But I still talk about them and from time to time dedicate my talks to these people so that other people don't forget about them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=7004.102,7185.673"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Elisabetta Mori:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=7189.542,7190.346"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_02:\u003c/strong\u003e You're welcome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=7191.703,7192.085"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Elisabetta Mori:\u003c/strong\u003e It's been a real pleasure talking to you today. Thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=7193.962,7199.025"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_02:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632#t=7200.261,7200.582"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/89656/file/185632/transcript/42708/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Maddog:\u003c/strong\u003e And if you come up with any other things you want to talk about, you know, I'd be happy to schedule another one of these. 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