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All right. Hello. I am very happy today to be talking to Bruce parents, who is one of the founders of the open-source movement and who created the open source definition, you know, it's impossible to catalog. All of Bruce's achievements in a short introduction and to most in the open source world. He doesn't need any introduction, but I'll mention a couple of things. He's a creator of BusyBox, which is a key. Software utility for Linux system that everybody uses all the time, and he was a key developer at Pixar helping to create the technology of 3D. Animated feature films, Bruce. Welcome to fasta.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55142/file/128769#t=8.9,59.8"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55142/file/128769/transcript/34056/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, thank you very much Heather.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55142/file/128769#t=60.4,62.0"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55142/file/128769/transcript/34056/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_3:\u003c/strong\u003e So glad that you're you're willing to take the time to talk to me today. So I'd like to know what got you involved in open source, how You decide to get involved in Flash, create this movement of Open Source.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55142/file/128769#t=63.1,81.9"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55142/file/128769/transcript/34056/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, obviously, I'm standing on the shoulders of giants because the work of Richard stallman proceeded mine, and the basic concepts of open-source. Are those created by Richard for free software. What we did with open source was create a marketing program for the free software. Concept, which would reach different people. So, Richards approach was very well suited for programmers, but it depended on the Opry or E, understanding of the usefulness of software freedom. And our approach was more based on just having a big collection of Software that you could build whether it was a business or any project that you wanted to. You could build these upon, you could share the development of the software and my feeling personally was that the philosophy would come later for a lot of the people who participated. And so obviously we were successful beyond our wildest dreams. We Took over essentially the software industry open source is everywhere whether you understand it or not. You encounter it in your life all day. And so that has been very fulfilling. We did not achieve all of our goals. Actually. I would have liked it if people did appreciate. 8 the need for software Freedom, which is something that is becoming more meaningful today, especially in the context of privacy and people seeing the large web companies, as sort of privacy eating Giants. Don't really have your best interest in mind and open source, though. Very successful, I think. Has evolved a extremely capable open source, exploitation industry. So I'm not quite so happy about that. I actually am working on Solutions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55142/file/128769#t=82.4,239.3"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55142/file/128769/transcript/34056/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, so tell me at the very beginning and by the way, I kind of know some of the answer to this because you and I have known each other for a long time. But","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55142/file/128769#t=240.4,248.7"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55142/file/128769/transcript/34056/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_2:\u003c/strong\u003e yeah, we have an audience. So let's see. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55142/file/128769#t=248.7,251.1"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55142/file/128769/transcript/34056/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_3:\u003c/strong\u003e right. How did you actually We get involved in the development of Open Source. I don't, what was the motivation for for doing that in the first place?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55142/file/128769#t=251.5,262.4"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55142/file/128769/transcript/34056/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I had been a Unix systems programmer since 1981 and that was at the lab. That was the predecessor of picture. It was at New York, Tech a, otherwise not very memorable college that had Open the computer Graphics laboratory almost a hobby of the chancellor of this college. The late. Aleksander sure. And we were creating 3D feature character animation in that laboratory. A lot of the people went on to picks are also many other places Disney Dreamworks all over. And so I Was into Unix and eventually went to work for Pixar. And one day I actually sat across from Steve Jobs office, not because I was important. I think they wanted to keep an eye on me. And so one day Steve made his peace with Bill Gates and where there had been in next work station. On Steve's desk, there was now a Windows laptop and for a time at Pixar, Steve felt that Computing would just all turn to Microsoft Windows and I have asserted down on that. I didn't actually think of it as a very capable system, especially at the time because Microsoft didn't have competition, that would give it a strong quality. Be incentive like they have now. And so Line-X started to come a long because of a number of factors the good new project had developed, all of what we call runtime. So all of the programs that would run on it and the libraries for the most part where project we're a product of the canoe project, but the canoe project. Not successful in developing a kernel, which is the part that connects the hardware, the software and so Linus, Torvalds came along and made a successful Colonel at the start. It didn't have networking. You know, people don't remember them line X. I didn't actually work on the net successfully for quite a while and And people started to create Linux distributions and there were a number of for-profit ones. Most of which no one has ever heard of today. And you had Murdock saw this happening and said, well, let's create a non-profit one and he created Debian which most people actually know through bun to today and I joined I guess there must have been 50 people on the whole project. It's a time and eventually became the Debian project leader in went on to other things and took the project and did something that no one knew was possible at that time, which was that Ian had made all of the core of the project ever. Anything that it needed to boot and run and install packages had been produced by Ian and I took it. And obviously didn't have the time to work on all of these packages and fan them out. 250 people who I only knew from email correspondence on the net. I was a Debian project leader. I had never We're actually met another Debian developer and fanned it out. And and these 50 people who also did not physically know each other. Combine to create a working running operating system and obviously, the software was very modular and that certainly helped us get away with that. But also the fact that open source lettuce, all sort of look over each other shoulders and help each other was very useful as well. So all of these people who had no common employer, Who had met at that time, and who really only had their own private goals driving this? I think, at that point, none of them were actually doing this for their employer combine to create working and operating system that among other things. Flew on the space shuttle controlling an experiment was very, very successful. Well, I had most of the work that we did at that time survives in the Linux system that you are using today, some of it in your Android telephones because I wrote BusyBox BusyBox was the installer. The whole idea of BusyBox is it's all of the commands that you might need to install an operating system on a computer May. Made smaller so that they all would fit on a floppy disk. Okay, that's how far back this goes. We had those three and a half inch plastic floppy disks and the colonel fit on one and all of the runtime and BusyBox fit on the second one. And so you would boot your system using these two floppy disks and You would be able to put a CD in the CD drive and install the entire distribution from it. I don't think we even have bootable CD at that point and if you didn't had it have a CD. We also had a way to make rather large collection of floppy disks, and you would also just keep feeding Fluffy's into your computer until you had a system installed, you know, going back this far. Far, I think I had to 40 megabyte hard drive saw on the computer. I was using for development. So, so let's actually practical to feed this, all with that amount of floppies, and this worked. And I actually, for all of the work that other people have done upon it. And All of the legal issues, which later popped up. I worked on BusyBox for an entire month and I never touched it again. I created about 35 programs in that months and subsequent to that. It was adopted by a series of other programmers who made tremendous improvements to it, but I actually checked in my coat is still in it. And I used the GPL license, and the GPL licenses are share and share alike license and thus, if you made improvements to this program, you had to share the Improvement. So my original investment of a month of evenings, I should have been spending with my wife, really. Was tremendously tremendously expanded by the subsequent work of all of these people which they did under the GPL, license contribute. When in some cases the incentive for them would have been to keep their modifications private. So we had to embedded systems companies that decided to make embedded Linux and deal it to Number of commercial companies that we're putting it on various kinds of hardware and one of them was lynnie. Oh, and I don't even remember the name of the other now and those companies achieved a six months time-to-market lead by using my software rather than creating their own. And this was in terms of, it might have taken some of Guys, that long to add all of the software and make it all work. And so they built on my software and the software became much much larger. Got up above a hundred, thirty commands.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55142/file/128769#t=262.8,859.9"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55142/file/128769/transcript/34056/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_3:\u003c/strong\u003e So so bigger than a floppy disk. Yeah. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55142/file/128769#t=861.7,865.8"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55142/file/128769/transcript/34056/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_2:\u003c/strong\u003e and essentially a small but capable command line. I'm system and that you could do many different things with. And so that's just him became part of a lot of Android telephones of part of wireless access points, if you use well the open source project. Open, wrt uses it. Then many commercial. Wireless access point designs are derived from that. For example, there. There are very many embedded devices for the most mundane uses aquarium temperature controllers that all have the software in the webcams, all kinds of things. And so for something that I spent a month upon. I did not ever receive financial compensation directly from it, but it has tens and hundreds of millions of users. All right. Users who don't necessarily even know that it exists. But there are some pride in that Justice artist likes to have their paintings appreciated. A programmer likes to have. Lots of users and lots of things happening with their software. And today. I know that a jet plane does not fly without using BusyBox and you don't, you probably don't wake up and get into your day without using busy box. And and so that's really fun and and it was worth that months of evenings and Valerie and I are still together even though I probably neglected her for that hole. A month. And so we we didn't receive direct payment for this, but I did receive a great deal of notoriety which has led to a lot of other opportunities. One of the most fun was I was in a commercial for You have lytics after they bought red hat. I think this was actually a mistake that the casting person cast me. And then I think there was quite a to-do within IBM because they would have vastly preferred to cast someone from red hat, but I ended up being the the face of Linux for IBM for a good eight months and And actually IBM's conference that year. They opened with an extended video from the commercial. So the conference opens and the very first thing that people see is my face and and I got fifty thousand dollars for a couple hours work Hollywood. Is that way when you're successful in I'm sure is very, very difficult when you're not and so Which one of the things but I've had most of my employment and Consulting opportunities are connected to this work that I did OG. Now. It's coming up on 30 years ago. And so that's just been great fun. Obviously. I have some regrets over the way that things have come out, but it's been Tably more successful than anyone could have ever asked. So those things are very tempered. So, that's probably enough for one question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55142/file/128769#t=865.8,1122.6"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55142/file/128769/transcript/34056/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that's, that's really great. Thank you. I mean, you were doing this. All, during the time, you were still working at Pixar. Isn't that right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55142/file/128769#t=1124.2,1134.4"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55142/file/128769/transcript/34056/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. I was working at Pixar. And, as I said, I worked for Steve Jobs, not Directly. I had managers and there was Ed catmull, the CEO. Who now, I guess it's a CEO of Disney 50 still there and I was a systems programmer for Imaging for the most part. So I invented image composing language and did a great deal of work for them. But one of the things I noticed was that for the most part. Art my work for Pixar, all end of life while I was still working. There was replaced with something else. And of course, when you mix software for a movie, we go on to the next movie. And we don't always use the same software. And so during this time, Pixar made their IPO, which was very useful because I had enough money from the IPO to pay off my mortgage. Mortgage. And I could be a flake because unlike everybody else in Silicon Valley. I didn't have this incredible mortgage that I would take many, many years to pay off. And so I could work full-time on open-source and, you know, see where the money came in, which it usually did. And so I remember that time someone say, Saying to me. Well Pixar's having its IPO and you have Toy Story coming out and isn't this wonderful? And at the time the space shuttle had just launched with Debian Linux and the bioscience is project on it. And he said well, you know, it's cool to have a movie in theaters and and to have IPO that's being very successful. But my hobby project is orbiting in space that's actually more fulfilling to me. And I remember actually finding out that this would happen. The way it happened, was someone wrote to me someone who I did not know, and I was at my desk at Pixar and and said, can I boot Debbie and honest? She Serial console and I had never done this because I had only developed on desktops that had VGA cards at the time, you know, lower resolution graphical displays, and I said, well that's interesting and I have on my desk here at Pixar would I need to test that. So I took 15 minutes from Pixar and I tested it and Another 15 minutes and documented my changes back them back out so I could get back to my work at Pixar and wrote back to the sky. Sebastian Sebastian kuznetsky and said here's what you need to do and he wrote back and said that works great. This is going on the next space shuttle. And so, you know, imagine me at my desk at Pixar with my my joy now unhinged and On The Floss floor somewhere and I got up and I walked all around the building looking for someone to tell this to you. And the only person who understood about Line-X was Lauren, Carpenter a very famous, famous computer graphic person, and Lauren was working from home that day so that there Should know and it picks are. I could tell this to who would have a clue what was happening. And not think I was crazy and that kind of decided be that Pixar, wasn't really my future and there had been other things they had actually restarted vesting from zero and I'd been there for eight years, which was kind of annoying. And so I, at that point you Uno said to myself, I'm going to have to work for this company. 12 years to be vested in my stock and Pixar, it actually gone bankrupt once or twice on the way to success and Steve had funded them out of pocket, his advisor, his financial advisor told him, you know, you probably shouldn't do this again, but he gave us another chance. And so, essentially, the day after I was fully vested after 12 years at Pixar, I left and went to work for my first Venture Capital operation was called Linux Capital group and was not successful. I'm in another unsuccessful one today. And so I I worked for them for a while and that did not work out and then I left that company essentially so that they would not have to pay me and they'd be able to keep progeny Linux systems, which was Ian's company. Afloat, that worked for 7 years, but they eventually close that one too. And so I went to work for you at Packard is senior Global strategist of Linux and open source. That was all because Was of the new daraya T that I had accumulated as you know, and opens her spokesperson and developer. So I remember leaving Pixar and walked into Steve's office. And, you know, there were a lot of stories about Steve Steve was never nasty to me and probably because I got there first. It's a pretty obnoxious guy, you know, still, I'm in many ways and I was very aggressive. And so I think that Steve and I were sort of on the same wavelength in that regard. And so I walked in and he knew I was leaving and I said you still don't believe in this lining stuff and Steve, you know, mr. Ego said to me. Well, I've been involved in creating two. Of the three great operating systems and by that, he meant Mac OS and next step and and all of them took a billion-dollar laboratory and I don't think that you can get over the hump because you don't have the billion-dollar laboratory. And so, you know, shook Steve's handset. Goodbye. Never actually communicated with Steve. Again, I sent him one or two emails and never got a reply. He wasn't one to talk to X employees. And a year later though. Steve got on stage at macworld and introduce the Safari browser. And the Safari browser was graphical web browser based on the KDE open-source. Graphics project. So The point there was that Graphics developed by open source had already exceeded what they could do inside apple. And that Apple was leveraging upon it in order to get a leg up on the web browser development, which there were kind of behind on at that point. And if you ask me, they're still behind today, and so Steve stood on the stage at macworld in front of a huge slide saying open source. We love it and although Steve never acknowledged it. I won that argument. Come on, Heather.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55142/file/128769#t=1134.8,1683.5"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55142/file/128769/transcript/34056/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that isn't that's one of those things. Like revenge is a dish. Best served cold, something like that. Not exactly Revenge, but Everybody I guess comes around to open source eventually ages. A matter of how long it takes them to do that. Ah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55142/file/128769#t=1685.0,1702.0"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55142/file/128769/transcript/34056/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_2:\u003c/strong\u003e yeah, I mean back then was when Craig Monday had said, line X is a virus it. Well, yeah, your total actual property. And today obviously, Microsoft just part of the open-source exploitation industry. They're not just using it for or their health and but they are participants in open source to a degree that no one at Microsoft or outside would have believed when this all started. And and that's what really gets me is so many things have happened. That no one would have believed. And and mostly because the economics though. Real was not intuitive. And so if I had said to you, I'm going to get together with my friends who I've never met on the internet and develop an encyclopedia and it's going to put Encyclopedia Britannica. I would have business so far that they don't even make the printed version anymore. You would have said you're on drugs. Bruce and you know, if I'd said I I'm going to make an operating system. That essentially takes over the industry. They would have said the same thing and all of these happened and without boring people to tears. There's a paper. I wrote about this called the emerging economic Paradigm of Open Source and it's 15 years old and still Current. And if you want to understand the economics, read that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55142/file/128769#t=1703.5,1818.2"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55142/file/128769/transcript/34056/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it's really it's been an amazing journey for everybody. I think maybe maybe for you more than most people, you know, I'd like to ask a little bit more about like, what what was it like collaborating with 50 people? You didn't know. I mean, you said that was considered impossible at the time now, I think people probably almost take that as a given. I'd like to know your thoughts about how how that came about, why it worked, why some cases where it didn't work, whatever you'd like to talk about about sort of the community aspect of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55142/file/128769#t=1819.9,1863.1"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55142/file/128769/transcript/34056/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_2:\u003c/strong\u003e Um, I think that the software collaboration was very successful. A lot of the organizational efforts were not for example during During this time. I drove the creation of software in the public interest nonprofit. It's still very active in supporting open source projects and there are was vast distrust among the Debian developers of software in the public interest and I think that it would have been legally advantageous for the developers to be working on behalf of this nonprofit, which would actually take up the liability because they were individuals. And if they got sued, they were out of the game and software in the public. Interest would probably Have been able if it were sued to get help from kind people like you. And so, This was vastly distrusted by the developers. And, you know, it was a non-profit. I wasn't about to take the money in pocket or even pay myself. So the reasons for it, really Escape me, so there were failures like that, but in general if you were just making software. He was willing to give a hand in making software and at that time I think email communication felt natural to us and there's actually a interesting but somewhat creepy aspect of it, which is we don't really like to admit that a great many of us programmers are on the Spectrum. And are very capable and had very successful lives, but may have been a little debilitated with regard to personal interaction. And many of these people are actually more comfortable collaborating with the community entirely textually. Not looking at their faces, not having to parse their voice tone. And to some degree that may have actually helped us in, and it's actually sad that for the most part. Those people cannot collaborate in that way. Any longer that the technology is improved to the point that you, and I are looking at each other's faces again, where we at the time, would not have heard each other's voice and would not have seen each other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55142/file/128769#t=1863.1,2060.6"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/55142/file/128769/transcript/34056/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that's very interesting that there's a kind of temporal disconnect and personal disconnect that's possible in these asynchronous like development platforms and so forth. 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