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I'm very happy to be talking to you today. Could could you start by introducing yourself and Celeste know a little bit about yourself?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197#t=3.4,15.2"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197/transcript/40195/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_3:\u003c/strong\u003e Sure. So I'm Tony Wasserman or Anthony. Wasserman is my mother decided and I have been in the software field for most of my career. In your programming, as a junior at the University of California. Berkeley back in the days when computer said, in large room air conditioned rooms raised to, from the floor with Miles and Miles of wire underneath them. So, I got a Bachelor's degree in mathematics and physics at Berkeley and then went on to earn a PhD in the University of Wisconsin-Madison. Where I built a pretty talented Bridge bidding program and which eventually made its way into a physical machine, but that's a whole other discussion. So these days, if you look back in my work history, I was early in my career on the faculty at UC San Francisco in an academic program on medical information science. And I was the information science side rather than the medical side and somewhere. Along the way there, the software that we had been developing, we had been Distributing it and I'll come back to that but we distributed and that led me to start a company and leave the university. So I started interactive development environments in 1983 and in 1987 we got around to registering ourselves and we were number 78 to get a.com designation. So one of the first hundred dot-coms ID e.com, which is now owned by the international drone exchange or something. But so that went on for a while, until the investors decided they knew better in the company, got Acquired and merged and So, I went on and joined a couple of startups during the.com, boom, and eventually ended up with a great little company, called Bluestone software in the early part of this Millennium and I ran a little development lab where we built mobile applications to talk to the Java application server. Needles, needless to say, we were kind of bleeding edge with that ID, made the I'm sorry, bills Bluestone made the fatal error of selling themselves to yell at Packard. And so after a while, then I ended up as one of the first faculty members at Carnegie Mellon, Silicon Valley campus, where I put together a program on software management that is, for people who don't want to program anymore or They're moving up to management or the want to be product managers and that's again the long story around that, but I've been there. Now this is my 18th and what will be my last year at Carnegie Mellon. And I teach product definition software product strategy, requirements. Of course, on the first time manager, and of course on open source software, which I've taught since 2006. So, Wise married, my wife Susan, we married a long time ago and we have two kids Mark and Michelle Michael lives in Berkeley Michelle lives at home with us because she's not in great health but that's a start.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197#t=15.7,262.3"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197/transcript/40195/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that's great. You know, I have one question which is you mention that your your undergraduate degree was not in computer science? They did, they have a lot of computer science degrees thin. Or did you have to choose another one?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197#t=262.7,278.3"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197/transcript/40195/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_3:\u003c/strong\u003e So Berkeley did not have a computer science degree, the first computer science departments were at Stanford and Carnegie Mellon and I think Michigan and Illinois. I think we're the for first schools. I may be mistaken on that. Yeah, I was also fairly early, but it was a much more theoretically focused. A lot of these computer science programs came out of mathematics, and a lot of them came out of electrical engineering and that that kind of determined what their focus was. So I went to Madison to University Wisconsin and their computer science program. When I went, there was maybe two years old. So, very early days in terms of computer Science. But the thing about the physics department at Berkeley is that they had an open shop, they had their own machine and so you could go down there and all hours of the day and night put a deck of cards in the card reader and use their super powerful IBM 1620 which is somewhat less powerful than my watch. And so you know Is my hands on Computing. I was one of the few people who knew that are pro, who had a knew how to program. And therefore, that machine was almost my personal computer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197#t=278.9,374.5"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197/transcript/40195/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_1:\u003c/strong\u003e That's great. That's great. So, um, how did you get involved with open source software and What attracted you to it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197#t=375.5,385.6"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197/transcript/40195/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_3:\u003c/strong\u003e So, a couple of things so so my original connection to it. It came out of the Berkeley Unix effort. So the in the late 1970s, the US Department of Defense gave a contract to the University of california-berkeley to kind of kind of strengthen AT\u0026T Unix. So AT\u0026T Unix had been developed by the guys in Bell labs. And and in Murray Hill initially and later. With contributions from other locations and AT\u0026T license, the software for the amazing price of forty, four thousand dollars. Maybe it was 43 somewhere in that ballpark to run on a pdp-11. So the effort of Berkeley was to put it on a vax and people like Bill Joy who's perhaps the best known of that group did a A lot of the software development for it and he wrote The Vi editor for example. And so But I did was I wasn't part of that project, but I had graduate students that I was supervising because I had in addition, to my professors appointment in San Francisco, I was a lecturer in Computer Sciences at Berkeley and so I had Masters students, and a couple of them built software to run on Unix. And so, we decided to give it away. Or two. I think we actually ask people to pay for shipping. So, you know, we got some, this was before downloads, we actually had to make tapes and put them in envelopes and all that kind of thing. So when we decided to distribute the software, then we had to have a license for it. And of course we chose to BSD license. So, the University of California San Francisco's legal department, had to learn about, you know, open source licenses. Of course, it wasn't called open source then, but but the BSD license as it was, then exists to this very day. So so I can honestly say that I was involved in open source software in 1980 and distributed it from from about the same time. And not using the same kinds of processes that we all now know, of course, but we didn't have a, we didn't have a place where we could put the code for everybody to go look at, but it was on the tape. So when we sent the tape out, you know, there was all the source code. So in some sense, we complied with all the rules that exist today, in terms of making the source code available, So, that was my first foray into open source.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197#t=386.4,587.6"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197/transcript/40195/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_1:\u003c/strong\u003e And what made you decide to give the software away?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197#t=589.6,593.3"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197/transcript/40195/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_3:\u003c/strong\u003e Ah, well, there really wasn't much of a market for commercial in those days. I mean, you know, Windows, even Windows three, right? For which people charged money, and for which there was a lot of commercial software, that didn't exist till 1990. And the first commercial software was that sorting program that was developed to run on the IBM. 360, the IBM 360 was released as a family of machine starting in 1964, and they actually gave away the software because software was cheap Hardware because expensive. So, you know, being academic at that point we said well, you know there's really Not much reason to try to charge money and you the university, wouldn't let you do that anyway. And in the same time frame, we had UCSD Pascal and by the mid-80s we, of course, had the canoe effort in a mighty, although we were several years before that. So they just wasn't the market for selling software of our type. Besides, we, Severed, you know, you'd have to support it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197#t=594.3,679.4"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197/transcript/40195/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_1:\u003c/strong\u003e Excellent. So, like how, how did you develop interest from contributors to the project? Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197#t=682.6,695.6"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197/transcript/40195/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_3:\u003c/strong\u003e you know, I think what we had were was a small community of people who were interested in using it and this notion of contributing back in open-source really didn't exist at that point. And, you know, we said, here's the software and people would use it in much the same way when I taught operating systems, we had access to the source code of You're the original AT\u0026T Unix version 6, they printed up little book of it. I have it here somewhere, still all these years later and we taught operating systems by having people read the code and and the like in a classroom setting but but because we weren't worried about somebody going out and changing it or any of those things. I mean, these is, this was just not a recognized concept at The time the other software that was free, of course, came out of things, like IBM guide, and share the user groups that IBM had for their large scale and their mid-range machines and deck digital Equipment Corporation. Similarly, had a Dicus group, digital equipment, users society, and there was no little deck, tapes of software that you would get if you went to a Dicus meeting. So so, you know, the eye DIYs that. Oh, here's the software enjoy it. Thank you very much so so it wasn't a factor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197#t=696.5,793.1"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197/transcript/40195/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_1:\u003c/strong\u003e So tell me what happened next, as far as your open-source Journey,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197#t=795.0,800.5"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197/transcript/40195/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_3:\u003c/strong\u003e right? So so you know, we put out. So I'm going to tell you two things. First of all, when we started IDE interactive development environment. So what happened in the mean time between when we first put out the database system and a version control system and things like that from our Environment and students. So so my student in Berkeley working on a master's project had access to one of the first Sun workstations. Berkeley was one of the first universities to have Sun workstations. So what what we did was we built a graphical tool for modeling software at the initial stages. So you would model databases and you can model processes and and we use the state transition diagram model, which we eventually ended up animating, which is pretty cool. You could run run the program, animate the user interface in one window and follow the state transition in another, you know, really state-of-the-art for 1982 and so So again, it was that software that led us to believe that there was a market. And so we started this company. Our first business actually, was to develop a Unix for programmers course for sun Microsystems. So they were, they were our first client where we got around to selling software, but we then build our commercial product. And of course, like Any other commercial product, the product was called software through pictures. And we sold both the development, the graphical development environment that ran on on sun workstations, as well as a couple of the individual components and they were all commercially licensed. And we had to include a clause that there was this BSD licensed software as part of it. And That's again, a practice that exists to this day when you have proprietary product, they were a telephone or anything. So so we were pretty early learning how to do this. As we first distributed, the commercial version of the product at the end of 1984, okay? There was a certain user group meeting that matched election day on 1984 and and then we had Add clients very early in 1985, there was a Unix system, Exposition in Dallas, and we got our first customers at that point. So so here we had this product, which had open source software in it. And, and so, that took us all the way through and in what happened with that product. Of course, we were on the market for Quite a while into the mid-90s. And then with all these mergers of the company, I left and the software that we had built the software through picture software, eventually, Had a Windows version and it was renamed. Amy, Jose meos and The code is still out there the 1988 version of the code. So you can go to open a meals dot-org, Aaron download a version, which runs on Windows. And you can download the opening Meo source code, but it does not have an OSI approved license because the that dated wrote their own license and We can't take it and rewrite it and redistribute it. But if you want to see what programmers didn't see in nineteen, eighty, seven and eight, it's out there. And some of the guys who were on that development team were amazed to see what they had written all those years ago not that it would go in their portfolio. So so that's the story of the software that came out of Berkeley and found its way into idea. EE and into its success of companies. All right, so that's one open source, story, the other one comes from shortly. After I joined Carnegie Mellon Silicon Valley, so in its early days, you know, I was appointed as a professor teach classes and do research. And so the person who was the most influential to me, that point was Martin, Chris and Martin had been at HP labs for a very long time and he was Known as the ReUse Rabbi we would go around preaching the use of reusing software. And so he was the director of the program at Carnegie Mellon. Silicon Valley for a while. The first director was Jim Morris, who came from Pittsburgh, Carnegie Mellon but Martin encouraged me to do research in open source which is great. And so couple a couple of things came out of it. One is that I got asked to work with a startup called spikes horse and they were starting this project called the business Readiness Rating and the idea of the Business rating this rating was that you could apply quantitative measures to decide if a A particular piece of software open source. Software was, shall we say? Ready for Prime Time, whether business could could trust it. And so, we came up with a collection of criteria that you could use for it, so that we're four organizations represented on the business Readiness Rating team, that was spiked source, which was the instigator of all of this. They was Intel. Which provided some of the external funding for it. And I'm Riley publisher which at the time was running, the annual open source conference and me representing the action, the actual researchers at Carnegie Mellon. So early before of us were, were at this, And it was great idea. I mean, you know, companies were resistant to using open source at the time and the the sense that well, here's some open source that you really can trust. You can look at the code, it works, it's being maintained. There's somebody out there to support that. All the kinds of things that concern companies about open source software, we're part of our thinking, That time ago so that that idea was a good one but the execution of it didn't happen. There are like, like a lot of startups. But what happened in this case was that a gun Pals from Spike Source, got sick and passed away. The guy from O'Reilly went home to New Zealand. Eland. And so with you know, it was that kind of thing. And so the idea set going nowhere for a while apart from a couple of academic papers. And you know, once you put papers about things out there in in conferences and journals, people find it and write about it. But what happened was that really didn't go much further at the time though, my own interest, about valuation and adoption, and use of Open Source software was strengthened by by that experience, because as I started talking to two companies at commercial conferences and open source things like the O'Reilly open source conference, you know, there was a lot of interest in What is this stuff and does work? So I wasn't particularly involved in how do you build open source software edgy? There were thousands of people doing that but you know, the open-source Community. Certainly at that time spent an inordinate amount of its effort talking to itself. And so you don't expand the market for something unless you reach out and so as you start to talk to prospective users and to companies about open source, you know, that was the real problem. So the business Readiness Rating was intended to focus on evaluation and then kind of go through that and say, well, is this being used? How are companies adopting it? You can see even there, the kind of earliest hints of what led to open-source project offices, that that are so popular today. But back then you had company Executives, who would say to you things like oh we don't use open source software and you know, my response to them was you want to bet and then they would go and discover that They could they could certainly find out what software is running on their machines or on their company's Network and they were surprised. And of course, as you know Microsoft at the time was let's say not very Pro open source. They were talking about how open source was a communist plot to quote Steve Ballmer and so this this may Adoption and use of open-source difficult in some places but the idea was planted and like anything that's planted it. Eventually grows a bit. So after a few years I came back to the idea and what we had done in the business Readiness Rating project had a couple of significant flaws, one of them, Them was that we didn't provide tools support that let you take some arbitrary piece of open-source software and do all the quantitative measurements that we suggested need. We were needed and people just weren't going to do that. So that was that was a major shortcoming of it and the other is that people couldn't find the open source software in the first place to go of that. You ate, you know, if you went out and you look for open source content management system where you get fourteen hundred of them and so you know, nobody's going to sort through that. And of course there are handful WordPress being the best known, of course, and Drupal that have kind of lived to tell about it after after all these years. But one of the other things that we thought, and by this time, the other three groups were gone. So this was just Carnegie Mellon, you know, my my research project. So, the other thing that we said was we need to do curation. So, we need to have candidate open source, software in a variety of different application, domains so, where did we find the application domains? We went to IDC and this was before, they were a Chinese company, but international data corporation, which published Computer World in the like, and they published each year at Exile Ami of software and it had 80 categories or Clearly categories. So we said okay let's work with them and then we went out and try to identify open source software that fit into those categories","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197#t=801.5,1645.4"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197/transcript/40195/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_1:\u003c/strong\u003e and that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197#t=1646.9,1647.4"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197/transcript/40195/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_3:\u003c/strong\u003e sort of mostly worked. The reason the shortcoming was that that's what their taxonomy wasn't very good about application development tools, which of course, was a very strong area for open source. And remain so and open-source wasn't very strong. Ian, you know, Enterprise applications or even consumer application. So you're not going to find a lot of Open Source software for let's say doing your income taxes but the concept was right. The idea that you could curate you're going to go out and you're going to say well look, I know there are And content Management systems. But these are the five that are worth looking at. And so, that's what we did and we built a website, which as of today is not alive, but until a few months ago, you could go to OSS pal dot org and you could see it. And there are papers published about OSS pal and so, where the name OSS pal, come, From so OSS for open-source software, of course, and pal. A double meaning that the first of all, it was your pal in terms of finding the open source software. But the one of the founders of the project with the man who died was murg on pal. And and so the name I chose to honor him as well as to You give the double meaning of Open Source software so always says pal went along it. It was an artistic success. It wasn't the, it didn't get a lot of usage and it never turned into a commercial effort, but the idea that you could have people come to the side and evaluate the open source software in much the same way that you would evaluate a restaurant or a movie, you know, here, the characteristics that we want your opinion on here, some free text, you can write And you know, the one concern is that competitors might write negative things about about a competing product, but we didn't we didn't get enough traffic to make that a major issue but but everything was there in place. So we had four or five categories that covered all open source software like the availability of support and we had Usually five or six categories that were specific to the category of that software so database management system or a Content management system. So on. So that was that was the main thread of that research and kept me working in open source, both teaching it and doing some advising for it. And and then and then Miss and we had a couple of other projects as well around suffer maturity and around trying to create a body of knowledge around open source but those have not gone very far so so OSS pal is is the main thing. So there you go. You know we've got now 40 plus years of open-source history.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197#t=1648.0,1877.9"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197/transcript/40195/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. So what are your thoughts about how One Source has grown over the years and taken over so much of computing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197#t=1879.2,1889.6"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197/transcript/40195/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think it's great, you know, and of course there are still plenty of people who are doubtful and reluctant to use it. I know in the open-source class that I teach the, the first thing that I do is tell people that they can only use open source. Software during the course. And when I don't want to see a Word document, I want to see and I don't want to see a hosted document, I want to see something that's produced with an open source productivity software, and the point of it is is to make people confident that there's a lot of very good software out there that works so they have to install Linux. Yes. And they have to do a number of other things WordPress to really see that you can do almost everything that you need to do with open source software. And and in fact, I came up with a measure, which you could call wasserman's law, but, but I never wrote anything to that effect. But what percentage of your work or your life can you do with open source software? And it's leveled off. And the reason is the iPhone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197#t=1890.5,1980.7"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197/transcript/40195/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197#t=1981.7,1982.2"},{"id":"https://fossda.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1633/collection_resources/80242/file/168197/transcript/40195/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e SPEAKER_3:\u003c/strong\u003e Because, you know, people live live on their mobile devices and so but, you know, I think that it's exciting that there's been so much going on in open-source software to the extent that some of the companies that started out being open source, have now gone to licenses that are not OSI approved. 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So we saw Cassandra and Hadoop and others that we could, we could name that really broke technology barriers. They were the Leading Edge and and as they found commercial support for those products, then people were much, much more comfortable using them. And so that's that's been a key part of the transition. The other thing is the lesson that the open source companies learned, which is They're not being compared any longer against open source software that being compared against software. So, if I go out and I say that, I need an open system to broadcast my video from home. I can look at a number of commercial offerings and I can also look at open broadcasting software OBS, which is a great product, by the way, piece of software, whatever you want to call it. And If it's going to get adopted it's going to get adopted by some people because it's open source but by a lot of other people because hey OBS is really the best solution for my problem. 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I mean, you know in, I've been in software field now for almost 60 years. So that's, you know, going back really to the early days and one of the things that you learn early on in software is that nothing stays the same very long, you know. Sure, COBOL and Fortran are still around but peel one didn't survive. And what people do today is different from what they did a few years ago and people who are coming up into the field are simply. Okay, well python, here we go. And so they're going to enter the field from a an open source perspective. Not even yet knowing what open-source really is not having. Read the open source definition or Standing the freedoms that come with it. So, so, I think that there we've come a long way on this road, and it's been fun to, to watch it. And to see many of the same people who've been doing this, this all this time. What's going on next? You know, I think we're counting more and more on open source. 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