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Let's change the world greatly for the better. It's a movement that's been going on for quite a while now and it didn't start because of a government or a company or a politician. It started really from some people who wanted to change the way people had access to software because software is so important to our lives. Now whether you know it or not, you are using open-source software right now and you're probably using it every moment of your life and that's due to a very dedicated group of people who started and who grew this movement over many years. Because this is such an important change in our world and because it happened in the way it did. I thought it was important to capture the personal stories of people involved in this movement, what made them so dedicated what made them understand that this was so important, you know, I'm not sure that We ever certainly I never made an initial decision that. Oh, I want to build an open source audio editor and distributed in the world and it'll become the most popular. Yeah, it'll be the primary editor of its kind in the world that that just never crossed our minds. Even, you know, at that time which was around 2000, you know, most people in the world didn't have the kinds of computers or the kinds of network connections and everything else that you would need to even distribute something like this. It grew out of some, some very personal goals and needs in a lab and it just kind of happened to be useful for some other things and make its way gradually out into the world and develop into what it is now No, they were a couple of terminals left in the, in the, in the room that nobody was using because they were meant for the organizers of the, the place you had to log in. And, of course, I didn't have a password but somehow few friends of mine managed to hack into the computers and into this Terminals and and got noticed well caught out. Don't know, but but, but they were nice enough to say, oh, well, you seem to be, you know, doing pretty well with these things. So, I went on, we open up a an account for you. There was one guy that I met there who had a long beard and long hair and which name is Richard M. Stallman so, I met this guy was just, you know, an ordinary guy more hairy than most but still Well, I guess one of the first pitch I needed to scratch was that I was spending all my time on Lennox because I'll as grad students, we all got on Linux system on our desk to do our computer science homework and to develop software. But all of the audio software, we had only ran on Windows or Mac and so there wasn't really anything that I could use just to do even basic. In to do this research. And so it's really good that I was naive because I just thought, oh, I'll just I'll just build a little audio editor, how hard could it be, you know, if I know and that, you know, to consume the next ten plus years of my life, maybe I wouldn't have gotten started but the idea of a community and bringing people in really came about after the initial work. We, you know it was just just And we were using the software and released it the software. And but then later other people sort of started using it and wanted to make improvements and I was a Debian project leader. I had never actually met another Debian developer and fanned it out and and these 50 people who also did not physically know each other Combine to create a working running, operating system. Also the fact that open source lettuce, all sort of look over each other shoulders and help each other was very useful as well. So, all of these people who had no common employer, who had met at that time and who really only had their own private goals driving? This I think at that point none of them were actually doing this for their employer combine to create working and operating system that among other things. Flew on the space shuttle, my original investment of a month of evenings. I should have been spending with my wife, really was tremendously, tremendously expanded by the subsequent work of Of all of these people which they did under the GPL, license contribute. When in some cases the incentive for them would have been to keep their modifications probably know. I don't think there was an aha moment, I think it was more, that was the culture that I was in. So the the culture I was surrounded with was, was one about about sharing code and learning from Others. And so it wasn't as much an aha moment as much as just that, that was the environment I was in and so it seemed like the only natural thing to do to to share any code that I wrote just like everyone I shared all their. But with me, Maybe open sources is really an outgrowth of the academic world. Where in Academia we do research and you know we get the rewards are not so much money but recognition that people want to want to be recognized for making contributions to whatever field they do research or Pub or writing in. And so we publish but we don't we don't publish Polish, you know, and signed book deals. Well, actually, we we design book deals. Been terrible deals, right? We're lucky. We're lucky to get anyone to publish anything. There there are very many embedded devices for the most mundane uses aquarium temperature controllers that all have the software and though and webcams all kinds of things. And so for something that I spent a month upon, I did not ever receive financial compensation directly from it, but it has, Tens and hundreds of millions of users. All right. Users who don't necessarily even know that it exists but there are some pride in that Justice artist likes to have. There are paintings appreciated, a programmer likes to have lots of users and lots of things happening with their software and today, I know that a jet plane does not fly. I without using BusyBox and you don't you probably don't wake up and get into your day without using BusyBox. And and so that's really fun and and it was worth that months of evenings and Valerie and I are still together even though I probably neglected her for that whole month. But then yeah, over time I did start finding some other interested contributors just people who found the project. It seemed interesting to them and they started joining in making contributions and that that was a lot of what I made a really fun for me. Because it was, it was something that we could we could do whatever he wanted with it and everyone who contributed could work on whatever they felt like, but but it was still fun and collaborative. And so it was fun to bounce. Ideas off people to see The other people's contributions to discuss. The best way to do things to discuss. How to turn it into a larger more successful project and that was just tons of fun. It was a very different experience than I ever had. Either doing classwork or at a job or internship where I was building software that, you know, someone else was in charge of and they had their own vision for. This is something where it could be my vision. And anyone who wanted to contribute, they could all contribute to that Vision. So I remember the time someone saying to me, well, Pixar's having its IPO, and you Have Toy Story coming out and isn't this wonderful? And at the time the space shuttle had just launched with Debian Linux and the bioscience is project on it and I said well you know it's cool to have a movie in theaters and and to have an IPO that's being very successful but my hobby project is orbiting in space. that's actually more fulfilling to me because suddenly we were not in the shadow of AOL and suddenly we were we were something important and we were a bit helpless and then means that some people were interested in helping us suddenly the French, an employment agency was asking me whether I would setting resumes and, and, you know, and stuff like that or whether I was creating a company and I was not creating a company, you know, these are the two options basically, and then they would threaten to stop the benefits from coming and I Managed to be lucky enough to be discussing with a guy who was nice and an understanding and said so you're building a non-profit. Yes. And we are going to crush Microsoft and yeah sure. But and so I would I would show him emails from Mitchell Baker and from the Mozilla foundation and stuff like that, he wouldn't speak a word of English. They translate me. So I could have, you know, Said anything, anything? But I did not I was I was so yes we were discussing you know, so that we could use them as a lot brand and and and and stuff like that and you said, yeah, sure it's fine. And and, and in the end we ended up creating hundreds of jobs in Europe. So it's, so, he was right? But at the time, it was a bit far-fetched. H2O bad to believe me and believe that I would succeed also. If you're one of these programmers, who who has some social issues, Computing is a very comfortable involve environment for you, because your computer doesn't dislike you and not work with you because it doesn't like your face, your program runs if it's correct and it doesn't run, until it's correct. 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